RE: Notre Dame hate thread

[Warrior Code]

In response to http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44587.0

I graduated from and love all things Marquette. I did, however, grow up in a Midwest Irish Catholic household watching Notre Dame football every Saturday. I have been to a dozen games or more and have no problem wearing an ND shirt. I will state for the record that the football squad is the only Irish team I will support (and to a far lesser extent hockey, but I don't follow cawlidge hawkey much). I can't stand ND basketball or their slicked-back, mock-turtle-wearing coach, Mike Brey. Can't stand Digger, either.


My question to you is this: am I a bad person?

[Warrior Code]

If you have to ask, the answer is probably yes.

[real chili 83]

What year did you graduate from MU?

[Warrior Code]

2012

[real chili 83]

I ask because if you were a 70's or even early 80's grad, ND's football program was more blue collar back then, and less douchebaggy.  I had a couple of friends and neighbors that played on the team.  They were good guys.

Now days, anyone who roots for the Manti Te'o, on NBC every frickin' Saturday, we're god's team, Lou Holtz and after era.......is rootin' for the ND we all hate.  That era of ND football doesn't get a pass.

[mu_hilltopper]

For starting up another ND Hate Thread thread .. yes, you are a bad person.

[Coleman]

The short answer is yes.

[Warrior Code]

(Sigh)

[Galway Eagle]

Maybe it's cause my moms an Irish immigrant not irish American but I never understood the whole "I'm irish so I love ND" mentality.  Am I the only one who sees a school with a French name and a mascot that perpetuates a negative stereotype of Irish people (that's coming from a short, extremely white, first generation irish, boxer so I know this stereotype very well)

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Maybe it's cause my moms an Irish immigrant not irish American but I never understood the whole "I'm irish so I love ND" mentality.  Am I the only one who sees a school with a French name and a mascot that a) perpetuates a negative stereotype of Irish people (that's coming from a short, extremely white, first generation irish, boxer so I know this stereotype very well)

Yeah how the hell does a school with a French name, named after a Paris cathedral get tied in with an Irish mascot? (Please don't tell me, I don't want to know.)

[GooooMarquette]

Yeah how the hell does a school with a French name, named after a Paris cathedral get tied in with an Irish mascot? (Please don't tell me, I don't want to know.)

Maybe the original intent was to be "Notre Dame Fighting the Irish."

[ErickJD08]

I am a ND football fan myself.  Since MU has no football team, I think MU students/alums should be able to cheer for anyone without any browbeating. 

[Coleman]

I am a ND football fan myself.  Since MU has no football team, I think MU students/alums should be able to cheer for anyone besides Notre Dame or UW without any browbeating. 

Fixed it for you

[MUfan12]

I have a hard time cheering for any college football team, but when I do, I cheer for whoever plays UW and ND.

The whole sport sickens me, to be honest. The more it grows, the more likely that basketball only schools get put to the sword.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I have a hard time cheering for any college football team, but when I do, I cheer for whoever plays UW and ND.

The whole sport sickens me, to be honest. The more it grows, the more likely that basketball only schools get put to the sword.

Football or just college football?

But I agree. I kind of despise college/professional football. I'm ahead of the curve, though. I was hating the Packers (as a Wisconsin kid) 20 years ago. ;-)

[Galway Eagle]

Fixed it for you

Exactly what I was thinking of doing.  To me were always going to get shot down by Madison kids who feel that they're at a superior school (many programs might be but it's not like it's Harvard) and in terms I private schools in the Midwest MU is always going to play second fiddle to ND and so were going to get crap from them.  Just like how we crap on DePaul and Loyola kids who crap on...

[Coleman]

Maybe it will change over time since we are no longer in the same conference as ND and won't play them every year now, but when we were in the same conference as them and rivals on the hardwood it completely boggled my mind as to how some MU students were able to compartmentalize their fandom so much as to be able to cheer for them on the football field literally 2 months before we screamed vulgarities towards their basketball team and students.

[rocket surgeon]

I ask because if you were a 70's or even early 80's grad, ND's football program was more blue collar back then, and less douchebaggy.  I had a couple of friends and neighbors that played on the team.  They were good guys.

Now days, anyone who roots for the Manti Te'o, on NBC every frickin' Saturday, we're god's team, Lou Holtz and after era.......is rootin' for the ND we all hate.  That era of ND football doesn't get a pass.

perfectly stated-the digger phelps, kelly triPUCKA era-that was a real guttural, spit up in the mouth kinda hate.  doc rivers buzzer beater in 1981...i'm still hung over from that one
 http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/2012/06/-throwback-thursday-is-a.html

[Warrior Code]

Maybe it will change over time since we are no longer in the same conference as ND and won't play them every year now, but when we were in the same conference as them and rivals on the hardwood it completely boggled my mind as to how some MU students were able to compartmentalize their fandom so much as to be able to cheer for them on the football field literally 2 months before we screamed vulgarities towards their basketball team and students.

I could not logically explain it,  but I found it to be quite easy. But I grew up an ND football fan my whole life and did not grow up a Marquette fan (I mostly watched Illinois and Bradley during basketball season). That said, my zeal for MU hoops has far surpassed anything I've ever felt for the Irish.
*/end digging myself deeper*

[swoopem]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? I love going to bars or parties and watching some football, even if I don't care who's playing. For the most part there is always a match-up that I'm interested in and try to make some time to watch.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? .

Smoke grass.

I've never been into college football, (I'm only a moderate NFL fan, as well).

[🏀]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? I love going to bars or parties and watching some football, even if I don't care who's playing. For the most part there is always a match-up that I'm interested in and try to make some time to watch.

Get piss drunk playing video games all day, Lakefront tours all afternoon or playing drinking games.

[Galway Eagle]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? I love going to bars or parties and watching some football, even if I don't care who's playing. For the most part there is always a match-up that I'm interested in and try to make some time to watch.

Women.

[tower912]

Women.

Getting off of the couch and talking to real live women instead of texting and skyping them?    What a concept.    I didn't realize the younger generation still did that.

[Spotcheck Billy]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? I love going to bars or parties and watching some football, even if I don't care who's playing. For the most part there is always a match-up that I'm interested in and try to make some time to watch.

ride my Harley while the weather still holds

[Galway Eagle]

Getting off of the couch and talking to real live women instead of texting and skyping them?    What a concept.    I didn't realize the younger generation still did that.

with tinder I can lay on the couch till they come to me

[Silkk the Shaka]

For you guys who hate on college football, and I guess this is directed more towards younger grads, what do you do on Saturdays during the fall? I love going to bars or parties and watching some football, even if I don't care who's playing. For the most part there is always a match-up that I'm interested in and try to make some time to watch.

Literally anything but watch college football. It's great.

[GGGG]

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/500332791041888256

[MUfan12]

It could get really ugly for them. Already some rumors of vacating wins.

[LAMUfan]

http://deadspin.com/academic-fraud-investigation-underway-at-notre-dame-1622321030

[barfolomew]

http://deadspin.com/academic-fraud-investigation-underway-at-notre-dame-1622321030

Update, 2:12 pm: Feldman now has the names of the four players who have been dismissed. They are receiver DaVaris Daniels, defensive back KeiVarae Russell, defensive lineman Ishaq Williams, and linebacker Kendall Moore.

Daniels is the son of former Bears DE Philip Daniels.

[19thAndState]

Proud Marquette alum, proud Marquette basketball fanatic and proud Notre Dame football fanatic. Grew up with three family members attending the school, have been going to games since I was 2.

I loved walking around campus in my ND football shirt, and I loved the hate. I embrace it.

Go Marquette. Go Irish.

Sorry to everyone who will hate on me for it, but I honestly do not know how I would function without both of my teams. It's not that hard to cheer for Notre Dame in a sport that Marquette does not involve themselves in.

[Coleman]

Literally anything but watch college football. It's great.

+1

I can think of a million things I'd rather do than stay indoors and watch college football on a fall Saturday. I'm already spending most of my Sunday watching football. Why spend an entire weekend doing that?

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

I'm mostly offended by the terrible ND jokes. Zero wit.

[tower912]

I boycotted all college football on TV a couple of seasons ago.   Amazing how little I missed it.   

[real chili 83]

Denver MU must be in a coma for him to not respond to this thread.

[warriorchick]

And now there is this:

http://deadspin.com/academic-fraud-investigation-underway-at-notre-dame-1622321030

[real chili 83]

And now there is this:

http://deadspin.com/academic-fraud-investigation-underway-at-notre-dame-1622321030

How could this happen?  This is God's team!!!  Touchdown Jesus and all.  Lou Holtz.

Sister Madeleva and Father Shanley are spinning in their graves.  The Poor Handmaids of JC are working the beads OT in Donaldson, IN tonight.

[JWags85]

Proud Marquette alum, proud Marquette basketball fanatic and proud Notre Dame football fanatic. Grew up with three family members attending the school, have been going to games since I was 2.

I loved walking around campus in my ND football shirt, and I loved the hate. I embrace it.

Go Marquette. Go Irish.

Sorry to everyone who will hate on me for it, but I honestly do not know how I would function without both of my teams. It's not that hard to cheer for Notre Dame in a sport that Marquette does not involve themselves in.

[GGGG]

How could this happen?  This is God's team!!!  Touchdown Jesus and all.  Lou Holtz.

Sister Madeleva and Father Shanley are spinning in their graves.  The Poor Handmaids of JC are working the beads OT in Donaldson, IN tonight.

To give ND credit, instead of burying the story and attacking the source, they dealt with it.  Unlike UNC.

[77ncaachamps]

To give ND credit, instead of burying the story and attacking the source, they dealt with it.  Unlike UNC.

But what we won't know is if they tried to head it off ASAP before the media got a hold of it.

[GGGG]

But what we won't know is if they tried to head it off ASAP before the media got a hold of it.

I'm sure they did.  Tearing the band aid off quickly is oftentimes the best solution.

[ChicosBailBonds]

with tinder I can lay on the couch till they come to me

I figured you more for a Grindr user.   Not that there is anything wrong with that.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

How could this happen?  This is God's team!!!  Touchdown Jesus and all.  Lou Holtz.

Sister Madeleva and Father Shanley are spinning in their graves.  The Poor Handmaids of JC are working the beads OT in Donaldson, IN tonight.

I give ND credit, they are addressing it and taking action.  If this were to happen at many schools across the country, they would try to bury it and cover it up.

Obviously some lousy stuff going on, but ND gets a bit of praise from me for trying to deal with it.  Perhaps there was some covering up going on, have to wait until the facts come out, but I have zero doubt in my mind this is covered up at many schools.

[real chili 83]

My guess is that they tried to get ahead of it once they knew it came out.

They have a horrible record of cover ups, ranging from sexual assaults by football players to Manti Te'o.  

At the end of the day, they aren't any worse than any other school with the problems they encounter with their students and athletes.  They are just sooooo smarmy about it.  After all, they are God's team.

Funny story....when I was a soph at MU, I went back home one weekend, and hung out with some friends at ND.  One of the guys was a fb player.  To get me in to some  of the parties, the fb player told everyone I was a fb recruit in for the weekend (I am bigger than the avg bear).  I drank for free with other underage fb players Friday and sat night.

[Galway Eagle]

I figured you more for a Grindr user.   Not that there is anything wrong with that.  

Nah man I'm all about th3nder

[19thAndState]

I mean, can we really judge anything Notre Dame does anyway? We've had our share of stories on our end over the last 5 years...............

[🏀]

I mean, can we really judge anything Notre Dame does anyway? We've had our share of stories on our end over the last 5 years...............

Yes, anyone can.

I can't believe they are 'shocked' this happened.

You hired Brian Kelly, this is what Brian Kelly does. Slippery.

[GGGG]

"Notre Dame Was Never Special And Never Will Be"

http://deadspin.com/notre-dame-was-never-special-and-never-will-be-1624521480?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

"It's an amazing little con, isn't it? Here's Notre Dame investigating commonplace academic fraud and somehow using it to distance itself from the rest of the college football-industrial complex. When the Domers don't openly cheat, they're saints. When they get caught, they're saints for owning up to it."

[warriorchick]

"Notre Dame Was Never Special And Never Will Be"

http://deadspin.com/notre-dame-was-never-special-and-never-will-be-1624521480?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

"It's an amazing little con, isn't it? Here's Notre Dame investigating commonplace academic fraud and somehow using it to distance itself from the rest of the college football-industrial complex. When the Domers don't openly cheat, they're saints. When they get caught, they're saints for owning up to it."

"It's Purdue with nicer helmets."

BWAAAHAHA!



Drew Magary is one of my favorite writers.  Make sure you click through to the link "Hater's Guide to Notre Dame" while you are at it.  I posted that here when it first came out and it is still a classic.

[77ncaachamps]

[jficke13]

The best joke I saw on this was:

Don't worry. It's ND. It will blow over just like a scissors lift.

[Marqevans]

Not funny when you know the family.

[Galway Eagle]

Not funny when you know the family.

Second that

[🏀]

I thought it was funny.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I thought it was funny.

That's because it was.

[MU82]

I don't hate Notre Dame ... I pity the fools!

(Actually, I do hate Notre Dame. My favorite college football team is whichever one happens to be playing ND in a given week.)