Oso planning to go pro
Really hope it's proven to be untrue but it seems real.
Praying his daughters were on the chopper.
Why?
Rick Fox and Kobe's 4 daughters were on the helicopter as well.
Sorry about that last post, really hoping his family was not with him. News is just horrible.
Kobe’s oldest daughter among those onboard, no survivors.
GiGi was on board, his 13 year old. They were flying to Thousand Oaks. Kobe has been flying in helicopters for such a long time, since his days living in Newport Beach. Tragic.
Not Fair. Too soon.I thought the post playing version of Kobe might be even better than the playing version.
So sad all Aroundhttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28570865/orange-coast-college-baseball-coach-john-altobelli-helicopter-crash-victimsRIP all those involved
“Too many of them gave up”...what a load from Chuck....they never tried to begin with...on purpose.
I know I will get blasted for this, and in some ways rightfully so, but it's kind of weird trying to process this one. I feel awful for his wife and his kids, who are now without a father and a sister/husband and daughter at very young ages, and that's horrible and heartbreaking in every way. I feel awful for all the people he was close to and for the basketball community, as he was obviously a very large figure in the basketball community and was an all time great, no doubt about it.But who I also feel sorry for is the woman he raped, who now has to hear about how this world lost a great human being for the next number of weeks, plus for all the "Who we lost this year" at the end of 2020. I squirm a little bit every time I see some basketball fan on social media posting about the great person this world lost. While he seemed to have matured and certainly seems to be a great family man since he retired from basketball, it's tough for me to feel comfortable considering him this great human being when I never met him and when his lawyer released a statement from him that stated Kobe performed the definition of a rape ("I thought it was consensual at the time, but after reviewing all the facts in this case I now understand how she did not consider it consensual").That's not to say he "deserved" this or that the world is a "better place" without him. Not at all. I just hate seeing these people who have never met the guy calling him a great person. No doubt he was a great basketball player and it's very weird that he is no longer on this earth, but it's just hard for me to give the guy a pass because he had enough money to settle his case outside of court and act like it never happened. Sure, he was "young" and he seemed to have "learned" from his "mistakes." But thankfully most people's "mistakes" when they are "young" are not raping a woman (or man).I don't know, just a weird one for me.
I don't think its about giving him a "pass". It was and still is a complicated case and situation. There was a fluidity of consent to a point and then supposed removal of consent. It wasn't open and shut either way. That statement everyone has taken as an "admission of rape" when its clearly not, and was an acknowledgement of the issues surrounding the case as it lead to a civil resolution. But that being said, I truly don't know what people expected him to do later in life about it.But I think there is a weird obsession with this all or nothing notion of a person's character. You can have ugly spots of criminality, lapses in judgement, or other distasteful behavior in your past, but move on from them, learn from them, and still be a good/great/better person. Kobe was the first person to tell you he was imperfect. You can look at the last 5-7 years and say wow, he really matured as a person, a father, a peer. People that interacted with him post retirement couldn't say enough about him, when the best most could say in his prime was what an insane competitor and worker he was.Feeling the need to "yea, buttt" everyone's remembrance of his high points is just as bad as ignoring his lows all together.
I won't pretend to work in the legal field, but that sounds like the definition of rape to me.
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Well, that only sounds like the definition of rape if it is treated as a strict liability crime. For many years in many jurisdictions, knowledge of the lack of consent was an element of the crime of rape. I have no idea what elements of rape were in Colorado at the time. But, "I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual" is absolutely not a confession of rape if knowledge of lack of consent was an element.This is 100% not a defense of Kobe. I am merely pointing out that the statement absolutely does not sound like the definition of rape as that crime has historically been defined. I'm aware that the law has been changing in many jurisdiction to require affirmative consent and to apply a "reckless" standard based upon the failure to obtain such consent, but I'd be a little surprised if that was the case in Colorado in 2003.
Don't forget the Evansville basketball team.In my lifetime, I think the only two other deaths that compare in terms of magnitude are Hank Gathers, Len Bias and Dale Earnhardt. Those three deaths, like Kobe's transcended sports (Bias for the way he died).
Solid and wuz wonderin' wen sumwon wood call a spade a spade. Got know issue sayin' dis wuz a tragedy and he wuz an all tyme grate basketball playa. Dat's wear it ends, doe, hey?
Those were all sad, but very different to me. Kobe was way, way, way more transcendent than any of these others. An era of the NBA was defined by Kobe. For most guys in the NBA now, Kobe was the 1st guy they idolized as they were born late in the MJ era and never got to see him at his greatest. We have had several "eras' in the NBa since the 70's. Kareem, Magic/Bird, Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, and I think, we are just enter the Giannis era. Of the 3 that you mentioned, only Dale had achieved "greatness", but not to the effect that he defined the sport.One interesting tidbit - every NBA MVP is still alive except for Wilt, Moses and now, Kobe
You won't get blasted by me. It's an interesting conversation.Kobe was no "hero." We have several Scoopers who have put their lives on the line, including some doing so to this very day, who are bigger "heroes" than Kobe or most other athletes ever were.Even if he hadn't done the heinous thing that appears to be obvious to most thinking people, he had many other pretty bad character flaws. Of course, many other humans have similar flaws; we are a most imperfect species. He shouldn't have been a role model (as Barkley alluded to in his famous/infamous commercial). But naturally, many folks do regard famous people as role models merely because they are famous and/or rich. The royal family is among the most ridiculous examples.Some journalists who have covered Kobe for years have said that he worked hard to clean up his image by trying to be a better person. He had done a lot of charitable work in recent years, had immersed himself in making things better for female athletes, had been a loving father. If all of that is true, I am glad he was able to better the lives of others before he passed away.A lot of people died Sunday that were nowhere near that helicopter. Regular folks -- many bad I'm sure, but probably mostly good people. They were just as important and meaningful and valuable as Kobe Bryant. I am not saying he shouldn't be mourned or remembered or eulogized, not saying he won't be missed. Just trying to keep things in perspective. Just because he was rich and famous -- or even relatively young -- it doesn't make his death more horrible than thousands of other deaths that unfortunately happened the same day or week or month.And all of those deaths -- as well as the other kinds of adversity life throws at all of us -- are the kinds of things that help me keep perspective and not lose my shyte over the results of a Marquette basketball game.That's just me. I know others handle things differently, and I'm not saying my way is better than anybody else's.Here's to life, everybody!
Don't forget the Evansville basketball team.
Don't forget the Evansville basketball team.In my lifetime, I think the only other deaths that compare in terms of magnitude are Hank Gathers, Len Bias and Dale Earnhardt. Those three deaths, like Kobe's transcended sports (Bias for the way he died).
Thought provoking to be sure, but here's my issue with "plenty of people died on Sunday that weren't famous" or "people in the military are dying every day" in response to an outpouring of grief for someone "famous". While that is certainly true, dwelling on that sort of outlook is a depressing way to go through life. Someone like Kobe for example can have a grief set even if he was an a**hole, cause he made an impact on people's lives through the enjoyment they had in his sports achievements. Thats a different set of feelings and emotions than just another sad news story. There is a connection there, whether you feel people invest emotionally in sport too much or not. I don't think its more "horrible", I think people just feel it more, in a way that is only surpassed by a friend or loved one passing. Hell, there were a few other families tragically impacted by that same crash and thats absolutely horrible and my thoughts go out to them, but I cant expect a basketball or Lakers fan to feel the same gut punch for that, and thats no disrespect to the deceased or their family's pain.As for Kobe not being a role model. Again, as a player, I agree. But I think the latter career/post-retirement Kobe was a template for all athletes and many adults. Thoughtful, introspective, very big on expressing the need to appreciate and take advantage of the life and opportunities you have before you, family focused and a committed parent. I think thats the reason the outpouring, especially from "industry" people, has been the way it has been. If he passed right after his career ended, there would have been the shock and associated feelings, but I don't think the human interest element was there, even without the tragedy of his daughter being involved.It hit me hard yesterday because you get lulled into this sense of "immortality" for people that were core to your life. Parents, best friends, iconic athletes you grew up with. Of course you get to an age where you accept and realize death comes for everyone, but it never always hits home. So I understand some of it. Hell, yesterday I sent messages to my sisters, a couple of my close friends, and my parents just saying how much they meant to me because sometimes it takes an event like this to appreciate the fragility of life and make you appreciate how quick it can vanish. And that to me is more important the people policing the grief of others or feeling the need to scrutinize a life so that sadness can be properly "measured"
I have friends that to this day accuse Clapton of killing SRV and feel the world would be a better place if EC had died instead. SRV was sober but EC would take years to get sober.
Stevie ray vaugn, although not near the basketball talent as Kobe, but famous nonetheless, met a similar fat leaving alpine valley music theater under similar circumstances. They ski hills were just raised to I don%u2019t know what height(feet from sea level) heli pilot took off under foggy conditions and slammed into the side of one of the ski hills. My office is literally 1-2 miles from alpine valley and I was in a golf league there during that time. Last time I checked, they didn%u2019t rename the hill a road nor the amphitheater after him
That is really a strange conspiracy theory. And I think Clapton was sober by 1989.
Huh?