Oso planning to go pro
This is terrible news seeing as I saw Jerel with Vander on campus last weekend
Correct...no banner, but we should definitely blame Tom Crean for his actions.
Really? Ever? You must not have been watching MU ball for very long...or ever. Jerel is far from having the lowest basketball IQ and your angry insulting post to a former MU great is classless. Are we really doing the "he must have been on drugs to make that decision" argument/joke? Very original...the classic smoking weed is the reason for every mistake and bad decision.My god, MU played a very fast-pace driving style of offense that lends itself to making multiple turnovers. I agree Jerel always had a problem with deciding when to dish the ball or finish the drive (more an early career thing), but the lack of your IQ in that post does not allow you to make such a grand distinctive judgment on the player and person McNeal was/is after they are gone.
actaully i said those things for the 4 years he was there as well. The guy did at least 5 things agame that anyone of which you could simply say "boy that was really stupid" As afreshman you hoped he would grow out of it, as a soph too. Never changed. The last 30 seconds first on offense then on defense against Villanova in the BE were simply amicrocsm of his decison making. Simply abyssmal. Yes he made many good plays but he made ten dumb ones for every dumb one other good MU players have made. If you can think of other Mu players that were worse in that aspect I would be willing to listen.
Actually, Buzz should get all the blame since he got all the accolades for Wes Matthew's NBA career.
Not to threadjack, but a friend of mine and I were talking the other day about Wes. You know who really deserves credit for his success (other than Wes' own hard work), Jerry Sloan. Certainly Buzz helped Wes his senior year. Wes certainly helped himself at the draft camps, he worked his way in the 2nd round. But, if we are insisting on giving a coach credit (which was a hot topic around here for a few days), it wasn't until Wes played for Jerry Sloan that Wes really started to exceed expectations. Nobody could predict Wes would get as much run as he has. I have to credit his current coach for a lot of that. Sloan's managed to take a 2nd round pick and help make him into a solid NBA player. If anybody has really "unleashed" Wes, it really might be Jerry Sloan**please note this is not an anti-buzz statement, but rather a pro-sloan statement. I like Buzz a lot, and I think he helped Wes a lot.
By the way, Wes' story is even better than having worked his way into the second round. He was undrafted.
If you want to get your panties in a bunch and put words such as "he did more harm than good" into my mouth than that is your choice. I never said that. What i did say was he made really really stupid decisons way way way too often. He literally made 3-4-5 decisons every single game that were absolute head scratchers. he types of plays that Mo Or Cubillan made maybe half a dozen or less the entire season. Again as a Freshman you figure he will eleiminate them. But as his career wnet on and he made statement like I play agrressive and those things happen. Sorry but that is incorrect. Playing agressive and making dumb plays are two completely separate issues. To use a comparison, DJO had his times where he needed to be more so but was at times an agressive player for us, how many really dumb plays did he make agame as a first year soph? He turned the ball over and made physical mistakes but did he make 3-4-5 plays a game where you would ask a 6th grader what were possibly thinking? No he did not. And obviously you disagree but i said it for 3 years now the reason Jerel will not be inthe NBA is becuase of his deciosn making. He is skilled enough and talented enough otherwise. If Mu kept career TO stats he would be the career leader by an unbeleivable margin, unfortunately most of them being mental not physical. looked up some numbers of some ballhandlers/scorers for Mu in recent years.wes matthews had 275 career turnoverscordell Henry as a PG had 291Dom James as a Pg had 305 and reduced his high from 89 to 54Diener had 230 and reeduced his high from 74 to 58Brian wardle had 268, 68 as a seniorJerel had 436!! 117 as a fresh...to 103 as a senior. His 4 years he had more turnovers in each year than any of these othe rplayers listed ever had in ayear. Again I liked Jerel he was an MU guy. My frsutration tho was the vast majority of those turnovers were purely mental and his inability to eliminate them cost Mu games and it ultimately cost him a chance in the NBA.
The conversation 2002mualum and his friend were having about who deserves credit for Wesley's success must have been absolutely riveting. Wish I could have been there.
I did not put those words in your mouth. When you say that Jerel would make 10 'dumb' play to every other's players 1 'dumb' play you are insinuating that having Jerel out on the court did more harm than good for the team.Secondly, I never disagreed with the fact that Jerel turned the ball over way too much, but you just are only looking at that stat as a way to evaluate Jerel. Did you take into account how many steals or assists he had as well and in general his great defensive play? Also, are you seriously saying that Mo and Cooby only had 6 bad turnovers the whole year? Thats completely making stuff up. There were many times in games (and late in games) that Mo would make very poor decisions, especially trying to drive in the lane. I actually defend Mo and Cooby from those posters all year who came on started another bashing Acker/Cubillan thread after a loss or bad play. They did extraordinarily well in their roles, but don't tell me that they didn't have their fair share of bad decision making. Again, they were role players and Jerel was a go-to guy who to a fault never backed down or thought he couldnt make a play. It would have been interesting to see Buzz coach Jerel for more than one year, I think his style of play may have helped Jerel over time to settle in and make better decisions (like making the extra pass instead of shooting the ball anyways on a drive while being triple teamed). Crean too often just let Jerel go wild and because none of the Big 3 were great outside shooters for most of their career, driving the ball into the lane became way too important and predictable in our offense.And guess what? EVERYONE was saying for 4 years Jerel turned the ball over too much. But to rip a great player so veraciously after he is gone is what I took offense to in your post, not that Jerel didn't have that problem. I thought b/c of his D Jerel may have gotten a chance in the NBA, but playing in a controlled role (like Wes is doing) was never his strength.
McNeal also led MU in steals pretty much every year he was at Marquette, he did have a lot of turnovers. By his senior year he seemed to focus more on offense than he did on his defense which was exposed on several occasions late in games (ie Nova game). McNeal was a hell of a player for Marquette and I wish him the best as an alum, no matter how good or bad he was as a basketball player. He deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Unfortunately for Mcneal out of his 436 turnovers most of them were mental, he was not physically handicapped in most of his turnover situations. And as I think back of Diener 230 i rarely said , "what wqas he thinking that was really dumb", but with Jerel i was more often than not thinking that so yes I will stick with my actaul comment of compared to other Mu great players he made about 10 dumb plays to every one the others made. AMybe you have never coached or played and simply have no clue of what types of turnovers are mental and what type are physical; time, score situation, percentages, angles...etc.etc.. So i am most likely speaking Greek to you.
Well maybe that explains his "dopey" decision to shoot the ball so early against Villanova in last year's BET.
His "dopiest" decision was failure to play D on the guy who scored the bunny to win the game against us in the BEast tourney, while Jerel was wondering where he could get some munchies.
you struggle with comprehension I stated "dumb " plays. those are mental mistakes. Mistakes that should be eliminated especially over time. If again you want to say that the threrfore hurt Mu then so be it. Additonally, you canot comprehend menatl mistakes. Just becuase you run down the court and charge on a 3 on 1 does not mean you will or should get more steals. They do not go hand in hand. Unfortunately for Mcneal out of his 436 turnovers most of them were mental, he was not physically handicapped in most of his turnover situations. And as I think back of Diener 230 i rarely said , "what wqas he thinking that was really dumb", but with Jerel i was more often than not thinking that so yes I will stick with my actaul comment of compared to other Mu great players he made about 10 dumb plays to every one the others made. AMybe you have never coached or played and simply have no clue of what types of turnovers are mental and what type are physical; time, score situation, percentages, angles...etc.etc.. So i am most likely speaking Greek to you.Oh by the way acker had 41 To's this year versus Jerels 103 last year, cubi had 34, and Butler had 39. About a 3:1 ratio. Now factor in how many times you could say those 3's turnoers were menatal and i would stand corrected. As another poster staed this team was so fun to wacth becuase they really valued the ball and i probably said "what the heck was he thinking" about 1 time this year for every 10 times i said it last year. it's too bad you have no clue what i am talking about