The Last Recruit of 2009

[Murffieus]

Mbakwe has loads of talent----needs to be coached! Burke is as physically strong a #5 as there is in the BE----has shown flashes of brilliance (monster putback dunks)-----reteach him how to postup (he came here with that basic skill)-----needs agility drills.

We are very strong at the other 4 positions----so we don't need an Oden at #5 to go 14-4!

[MUBasketball]

This long thread reminds me how happy I am Murf has been practically banned from the Scout board.

Your demanding a top 3 finish in the league this year? Wow. Do you remember MU is in the Big East, not C-USA anymore? This is a monster league, and will be stronger than ever (it appears) this year. Crean has had talented teams the past three years in the league, and never got a Top 3 finish. Is this team any more talented than the previous three? More experienced with the Amigos, but still has holes in the middle.

There are really good teams in the league that finish in the 4-8 range of the league. A lot of things have to go right to be fortunate to finish in one of those top spots. To claim that MU not finishing in that Top 3 is unacceptable is completely ridiculous.

Yes, I have high expectations this season...but I also realize many of the other teams in the league have just as much talent.

[detroitwarrior]

 "This long thread reminds me how happy I am Murf has been practically banned from the Scout board. "

Agreed. I thought this thread was about the last potential recruit in 2009 but has been hijacked once again by someone who again shows a remarkable ability to duck and weave like a politician when his outlandish statements questioning the "truthfullness" of Dominic James' comments about the training regimen under Buzz compared to Crean and what it takes to win in the Big East are pointed out. Thank God for the premium board on Scout.

[Murffieus]

This long thread reminds me how happy I am Murf has been practically banned from the Scout board.

Your demanding a top 3 finish in the league this year? Wow. Do you remember MU is in the Big East, not C-USA anymore? This is a monster league, and will be stronger than ever (it appears) this year. Crean has had talented teams the past three years in the league, and never got a Top 3 finish. Is this team any more talented than the previous three? More experienced with the Amigos, but still has holes in the middle.

There are really good teams in the league that finish in the 4-8 range of the league. A lot of things have to go right to be fortunate to finish in one of those top spots. To claim that MU not finishing in that Top 3 is unacceptable is completely ridiculous.

Yes, I have high expectations this season...but I also realize many of the other teams in the league have just as much talent.

I'm not banned from the Scout Board----where did you get that idea?

I'm expecting no more or no less than what the pundits are saying-----and the pundits are saying MU #3 in the BE----a few are even saying #2.

[tower912]

Completely correct, Murf.   Not banned.   Limited.

[RedWebster]

This long thread reminds me how happy I am Murf has been practically banned from the Scout board.

You gotta love a message board that limits the posts of somebody they disagree with, but thinks nothing of a couple of 30-somethings trolling for female companionship. Let's hope some of those guys aren't posting at their local library.

Yikes.

[HarryBalczak]

A quick summary of what happened with Murff's situation over there.

Murff saw some video clips and questioned parts of Junior Cadougan's abilities and didn't feel Junior would succeed in the Big East.  Fine, that's his opinion.

After having success at the NBAPA Camp in mid June, Junior continued to have success at the Reebok Camp, the Adidas 64 tourney and the Double Pump tourney in July and finally, at the Adidas Nations camp in early August.  Junior led his team to the camp championship at NBPA and to the finals of the Reebok Camp championship. He then led Grassroots Canada to the Adidas 64 tourney championship which solidified an excellent summer.  He also played very well at the Double Pump tourney in late July in LA, but his team left prior to the quarterfinal round.

All along the way, Murff was looking for negatives with Junior and asking about stats and saying he wasn't playing good teams or players even though Junior had gone head to head with the top 10 point guards in the country, save 1.  Murff wondered why Rivals and Scout didn't have him in the nations top 100 prior to July when other websites did rank him in the top 100.  When he was shut down in one game, Murff immediately brought it up and now Dave Telep says that defender, Avery Bradley, is the top defender in the 2009 class.

What has now happened is that Junior Cadougan's play has pushed into basically every top 100 ranking, including Rivals and Scout, and he probably averages around #50 in the rankings.  Some, including Dave Telep and Clark Francis, have pushed Junior into the top 5 among the 2009 point guards and virtually every one of them has stated how well he runs a team as a true point and that they expect him to do the same at the collegiate level.  Dave Telep even stated publicly that he missed the boat with Junior.

The degree to which Murff went to support his earlier opinion became a joke and that's when John Dodds stepped in called it too much.

[Murffieus]

Harry----somewhat incorrect.

What I said is that I saw a video where I thought that Junior was not very atletic and not quick for a PG------I think everyone agrees with that. I also said that Junior sees the floor very well in transition and passes well both in the half court and in transition. I also noticed a flaw in his perimiter shooting form and even though every shot goes in I siad that he isn't a good perimeter shooter. Jon Giviony's recent article cited the same thing about his 3 point form. He's better shooter off the pullup though, but there is something I saw there that I would change as well. Givony also questioned Junior's upside because of his lack of quickness and athleticism----and I agree with that.

Can you picture DJ playing PG in the BE without his athleticism and quickness----well I can, but I think it's fair to say that he wouldn't be as effective. What say you?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm not banned from the Scout Board----where did you get that idea?

I'm expecting no more or no less than what the pundits are saying-----and the pundits are saying MU #3 in the BE----a few are even saying #2.

Just to be fair, the pundits haven't released any official predictions.  The pundits are often very wrong as well.  The Big East coaches predictions I don't believe are out yet and won't be for another 6 weeks or so.

[ChicosBailBonds]

A quick summary of what happened with Murff's situation over there.

Murff saw some video clips and questioned parts of Junior Cadougan's abilities and didn't feel Junior would succeed in the Big East.  Fine, that's his opinion.

After having success at the NBAPA Camp in mid June, Junior continued to have success at the Reebok Camp, the Adidas 64 tourney and the Double Pump tourney in July and finally, at the Adidas Nations camp in early August.  Junior led his team to the camp championship at NBPA and to the finals of the Reebok Camp championship. He then led Grassroots Canada to the Adidas 64 tourney championship which solidified an excellent summer.  He also played very well at the Double Pump tourney in late July in LA, but his team left prior to the quarterfinal round.

All along the way, Murff was looking for negatives with Junior and asking about stats and saying he wasn't playing good teams or players even though Junior had gone head to head with the top 10 point guards in the country, save 1.  Murff wondered why Rivals and Scout didn't have him in the nations top 100 prior to July when other websites did rank him in the top 100.  When he was shut down in one game, Murff immediately brought it up and now Dave Telep says that defender, Avery Bradley, is the top defender in the 2009 class.

What has now happened is that Junior Cadougan's play has pushed into basically every top 100 ranking, including Rivals and Scout, and he probably averages around #50 in the rankings.  Some, including Dave Telep and Clark Francis, have pushed Junior into the top 5 among the 2009 point guards and virtually every one of them has stated how well he runs a team as a true point and that they expect him to do the same at the collegiate level.  Dave Telep even stated publicly that he missed the boat with Junior.

The degree to which Murff went to support his earlier opinion became a joke and that's when John Dodds stepped in called it too much.

Jim....Jim is that you?  LOL

[Red Baron]

Harry----somewhat incorrect.

What I said is that I saw a video where I thought that Junior was not very atletic and not quick for a PG------I think everyone agrees with that.



Let me be the first to say your statement about JC is a PILE of CRAP.

[Murffieus]

Check out:

www.draftexpress.com/profile/Junior-Cadougan-5284/playerblog/

[Marquette84]

I'm expecting no more or no less than what the pundits are saying-----and the pundits are saying MU #3 in the BE----a few are even saying #2.

Second request. Please provide the names and/or links to the pundits who have MU #2 or #3.

[Murffieus]

I was mistaken on that ( I was thinking of the preseason rankings for the 2007-08 season where we were picked #3----in some cases #2)-----I see where we are now ranked #5, 6, or even 7, in the BE, which is based on the fact that we underachieved last year finishing at #5 or #6. Also I recall all the optimism on the boards 3 years ago about the senior season for DJ, JM, and WM.

But maybe Buzz can get us back on track!

[TallTitan34]

Looks like we have another free scholarship with Mbakwe's departure.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Expectations are going to be very high this year, this team is top 25, returns 3 all Big East players, returns 4 starters, has gone to the NCAAs 3 straight years, was one second away from going to the Sweet 16 last year.

How would any intelligent person not expect HIGH SUCCESS this season whether it is Crean, Williams or Barry Switzer coaching this team.  It's a given.  If he does fail with this talent, what would that say.....wow. 

I expect this team to roll this year with the experience and talent coming back, a health Trevor, etc.  Anything short of a similar seed to last year and similar finish in the Big East would be a disappointment.  I won't worry about how far we go in the post season as that's a crap shoot, but Crean gift wrapped this team for whomever took over...happens to be Buzz.  He should roll with this club this season.



Chicos i do not disagree with you on that and I think anyone in their right mind including Buzz and staff would agree.  But i know there is great concern for year two.  Not only will expectations still be high they might even be higher and the naysayers will credit any slip ups with crean and his 3 amigos being gone.  the real concern is aprt from the 3 amigos Crean did not exactly stock the shelves.  lazar and Trevor are the only two current concensus top 100 plaers on the roster sans the 3 amigos.  we struggle in year two and the wolves and vultures will circle and recruits could cast a skepticla eye, Buzz needs to win big in year two and he knows it getting real with a couple of guys that will contribute nothing in 09-10 is his and the programs best hope.

[Blackhat]

Expectations are going to be very high this year, this team is top 25, returns 3 all Big East players, returns 4 starters, has gone to the NCAAs 3 straight years, was one second away from going to the Sweet 16 last year.

How would any intelligent person not expect HIGH SUCCESS this season whether it is Crean, Williams or Barry Switzer coaching this team.  It's a given.  If he does fail with this talent, what would that say.....wow. 

I expect this team to roll this year with the experience and talent coming back, a health Trevor, etc.  Anything short of a similar seed to last year and similar finish in the Big East would be a disappointment.  I won't worry about how far we go in the post season as that's a crap shoot, but Crean gift wrapped this team for whomever took over...happens to be Buzz.  He should roll with this club this season.



Chicos i do not disagree with you on that and I think anyone in their right mind including Buzz and staff would agree.  But i know there is great concern for year two.  Not only will expectations still be high they might even be higher and the naysayers will credit any slip ups with crean and his 3 amigos being gone.  the real concern is aprt from the 3 amigos Crean did not exactly stock the shelves.  lazar and Trevor are the only two current concensus top 100 plaers on the roster sans the 3 amigos.  we struggle in year two and the wolves and vultures will circle and recruits could cast a skepticla eye, Buzz needs to win big in year two and he knows it getting real with a couple of guys that will contribute nothing in 09-10 is his and the programs best hope.

You are one cold bastard. 

[reinko]

Expectations are going to be very high this year, this team is top 25, returns 3 all Big East players, returns 4 starters, has gone to the NCAAs 3 straight years, was one second away from going to the Sweet 16 last year.

How would any intelligent person not expect HIGH SUCCESS this season whether it is Crean, Williams or Barry Switzer coaching this team.  It's a given.  If he does fail with this talent, what would that say.....wow. 

I expect this team to roll this year with the experience and talent coming back, a health Trevor, etc.  Anything short of a similar seed to last year and similar finish in the Big East would be a disappointment.  I won't worry about how far we go in the post season as that's a crap shoot, but Crean gift wrapped this team for whomever took over...happens to be Buzz.  He should roll with this club this season.



Chicos i do not disagree with you on that and I think anyone in their right mind including Buzz and staff would agree.  But i know there is great concern for year two.  Not only will expectations still be high they might even be higher and the naysayers will credit any slip ups with crean and his 3 amigos being gone.  the real concern is aprt from the 3 amigos Crean did not exactly stock the shelves.  lazar and Trevor are the only two current concensus top 100 plaers on the roster sans the 3 amigos.  we struggle in year two and the wolves and vultures will circle and recruits could cast a skepticla eye, Buzz needs to win big in year two and he knows it getting real with a couple of guys that will contribute nothing in 09-10 is his and the programs best hope.

Not sure what that entire had post had anything to do with a last recruit for 2009.