Thoughts on Maymon

[jutaw22mu]

this board would suck without murf.  he brings a lot to the table.

[NCMUFan]

Do you think MURF posts for your basketball education?  It is simply for his entertainment.  If you watch how most posts progress, it eventually turns into just bantering back and forth with MURF and a couple other posters.  Totally unrelated to the original topic.  He does it for his own entertainment.

[ecompt]

If I know Murff (and we've had some battles over the years) he will NEVER be intimidated by anyone, least of all someone who resorts to calling him sophmoric names. I don't mind when he "critiques" MU basketball; he does bring the point of view of an ex-coach and he sees things I for one don't. On the other hand, I would like to know how Junior, who is neither "quick nor athletic", manages to ever score.

[jce]

BTW---why else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!

I believe that Wisconsin already had their 2009 class filled out at the time.  And as far as TC goes, the state tournament ended on March 8.  That was a week before MU's regular season ended.  I mean, what did you want him to do?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Again, here's what I said about Junior based on a "feel good " video i watched.

Not quick or athletic----sees the floor very well on transition and passes very well off transition-----doesn't use his left hand and doesn't go left on the dribble penetration------will set up his penetration on starting left with one dribble then cross dribbling over to his right for the penetration------doesn't appear to be a pure perimeter shooter-----better off the pullup.

Now this is what you're going to see on Dec 28th. He may be doing fine now----but odds are that he has limited upside because of his lack of quickness and athleticism.

Murf,

You also questioned the talent he was playing against at the recent camps and claimed that the "majority" of recruiting services didn't rank him very highly.

Again, I think you obviously have a tremendous amount of basketball knowledge... but you seem to try so hard to be a contrarian that you miss the bus on what people are saying.

People aren't just excited over the "feel good" video that you saw, they are also excited because he is on the rise and appears to be performing very well this summer.

Does he have some flaws in his game? Certainly.

Is he playing well and can MU fans get excited? Certainly.

Does anybody think he is the next Jason Kidd? Certainly not.

Sometimes is it that simple? Certainly.

[Murffieus]

I believe that Wisconsin already had their 2009 class filled out at the time.  And as far as TC goes, the state tournament ended on March 8.  That was a week before MU's regular season ended.  I mean, what did you want him to do?

TC had a habit of getting on people long before others------Maymon had very good production prior to the State Tournament-----besides he had plenty of time to go after him after the NCAA both at MU and at IU.

[Murffieus]

Murf,

You also questioned the talent he was playing against at the recent camps and claimed that the "majority" of recruiting services didn't rank him very highly.

Again, I think you obviously have a tremendous amount of basketball knowledge... but you seem to try so hard to be a contrarian that you miss the bus on what people are saying.

People aren't just excited over the "feel good" video that you saw, they are also excited because he is on the rise and appears to be performing very well this summer.

Does he have some flaws in his game? Certainly.

Is he playing well and can MU fans get excited? Certainly.

Does anybody think he is the next Jason Kidd? Certainly not.

Sometimes is it that simple? Certainly.

That's fine----but the major thing to look for in a recruit is upside-----and generally players without good quickness and athleticism have limited upside unless they are very good shooters. Some exceptions apply.

We never get any numbers on his shooting percentages----in HS, AAU, Shoe camps. Just general remarks like he can hit the jumper up to 22'----now what does that mean?

[Murffieus]

If I know Murff (and we've had some battles over the years) he will NEVER be intimidated by anyone, least of all someone who resorts to calling him sophmoric names. I don't mind when he "critiques" MU basketball; he does bring the point of view of an ex-coach and he sees things I for one don't. On the other hand, I would like to know how Junior, who is neither "quick nor athletic", manages to ever score.

Ecompt my friend------that's what I'd like to know----does Junior score a lot in transition-----that would be my guess as that seemed to be the best part of his game.

[muball]

With all the comments Muff has made about MU players the last 4-5 years I ask one simple question. For someone who played at MU and was president of Alumni club etc, has he ever taken the initiative to share his whereabouts with coaches etc.  It is my understanding from his posts that he has not since he has not been invited. Well there is no question that MU has reached out to former players and he has not taken the opportunity to participate. Well they reached out and he implied that was not an invititation. He has a problem regarding MU and I hope he can get over it. Better to  be part of a solution then being part of the problem or not helping fellow players at his alum if he is as knowledgeable as he claims. He brings alot of traffic to MU boards but generally it is quite repititious.  Puzzled why he does not add value to the school in a positive matter.

[detroitwarrior]

+1

[jce]

TC had a habit of getting on people long before others------Maymon had very good production prior to the State Tournament-----besides he had plenty of time to go after him after the NCAA both at MU and at IU.

You asked the question "(W)hy else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!"

I did.  And now you shifted the goalposts.

[HarryBalczak]

You asked the question "(W)hy else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!"

I did.  And now you shifted the goalposts.

Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.

Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean.  I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.

Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford.  Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette.  Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.

[MarkMiller]

Balczak hit the nail on the head. The other thing ... Buzz followed Maymon around the travel-team circuit in April and made him a top recruiting priority after watching Maymon dominate on the AAU scene.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That's fine----but the major thing to look for in a recruit is upside-----and generally players without good quickness and athleticism have limited upside unless they are very good shooters. Some exceptions apply.

We never get any numbers on his shooting percentages----in HS, AAU, Shoe camps. Just general remarks like he can hit the jumper up to 22'----now what does that mean?

Well, to be completely honest, your post now about Junior now is much more palatable and honest. I don't think anybody can't fault a fan for having some questions about a recruit (recruiting is not an exact science).

However, you (personally) have not seen Junior play a lot (if at all), so please forgive a lot of posters for not buying into your critique, but rather going off of what the recruiting experts have been watching this summer.

Again, I think you take too much pleasure in trying to "bring people back to earth".

It is ok to say, "I really don't know much about this player, I'll have to see more before I can evaluate."

Go back and read the threads... it really appears like you are just trying to incite people.

[Murffieus]

With all the comments Muff has made about MU players the last 4-5 years I ask one simple question. For someone who played at MU and was president of Alumni club etc, has he ever taken the initiative to share his whereabouts with coaches etc.  It is my understanding from his posts that he has not since he has not been invited. Well there is no question that MU has reached out to former players and he has not taken the opportunity to participate. Well they reached out and he implied that was not an invititation. He has a problem regarding MU and I hope he can get over it. Better to  be part of a solution then being part of the problem or not helping fellow players at his alum if he is as knowledgeable as he claims. He brings alot of traffic to MU boards but generally it is quite repititious.  Puzzled why he does not add value to the school in a positive matter.

I attend MU functions----we had a reunion sponsored by MU January of 2005. On the first night I introduced myself to Tom Crean----we had a very nice conversation---also intoduced myself to his wife and mother in law and had another very  nice conversation. Had another BB reunion in January of 2007 which I attended----Rick was there----had a great time.Went the the banquet this past April.

I'm older now and don't get involved as much----but that hasn't dampened my interest in MU bb>

[Murffieus]

Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.

Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean.  I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.

Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford.  Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette.  Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.

Sounds like Maymon was a plan B. Surprising TC didn' put a full court press on him like he did with Mathews and Nankivil.

[tower912]

Perhaps under Crean, Maymon was a plan B.   After all, he had Williams in hand and the inside track on Wilson.   But......Jeronne blew up during the state tourney and when Buzz took over, he had an assistant with an inside track on the reigning WHSAA POY.   Buzz probably surveyed the landscape and decided to make a hard play for Maymon, too, since he had an in, and take whichever, Jamil or Jeronne, committed first.    So, under Buzz, perhaps it would be closer to say that Maymon was plan 1A.    Or, you can, every single freaking time on every board you post on,  trash whoever says yes to MU.   Glass half full v. half empty. 

[HarryBalczak]

Hard to complain about this class, provided everyone takes care of the academic end and is here in the fall of 2009.

Cadougan, Maymon and Williams will all be top 100 recruits when the websites average out this fall and Buycks is likely one of the top 10 recruits coming out of the junior college ranks next year.  Cadougan and Buycks will compete for starting spots at the PG and the 2G respectively next year (I don't consider Buycks a point guard) and Maymon and Williams will give the team solid depth and will contibute off the bench as freshman if one of them doesn't secure a starting spot opposite Hayward.

The guy that people seem to forget about is Liam McMorrow and he may not come in and be a major impact player in 2009, but I think he could surprise some people.

Not a bad group of players.

[RawdogDX]

you can, every single freaking time on every board you post on,  trash whoever says yes to MU.   Glass half full v. half empty. 

Your right, all i want to see on this board is a bunch of posters saying nothign but "This guy is going to be unstopable!"

[ChicosBailBonds]

Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.

Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean.  I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.

Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford.  Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette.  Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.

Jim?  Is that you Jim? 

[HarryBalczak]

Jim?  Is that you Jim? 

Harry. HarryBalczak.