took a tour of The Al on Saturday...

[ecompt]

while at MU for Alumni Reunion. Very impressive place. Went into the weight and training rooms, and was amazed to see stats on the walls listing the strongest, fastest, etc. members of the team.  Dom did 480 pounds squatting to lead the team and Wes had 25 reps of 185 pounds, which is amazing. What was really impressive was the times in the 25-yard dash. Dom was first at 2.85, Wes was either tied or a hair behind, and you wouldn't believe who was third at 3.01. Not Cubes, not Jerel, not Acker, but TREVOR. Amazing for a big guy to run that well. 

[4thAndState]

Trevor can pretty much do what he wants 
The Al is an incredible facility. I'm sure Buzz and staff will use it well to get teams prepared for battle and to introduce recruits to MU basketball. The facilities are in place to help make us among the elite teams in the BE if not the country.

[🏀]

gomarquette should keep us updated on those stats.

[RawdogDX]

I think it's more surprising that james is leading the team in squating, and that it is only 480. 

[mosarsour]

The only reason Trevor finished 3rd in the 25 yard dash is because he ran the dash backwards and didn't want Dom or Wes to feel slighted by a sophomore forward.

Trevor was unable to complete his squat because the weight room ran out of weights and he finished with an incomplete in that category.

[MUFanInGreenBay]

while at MU for Alumni Reunion. Very impressive place. Went into the weight and training rooms, and was amazed to see stats on the walls listing the strongest, fastest, etc. members of the team.  Dom did 480 pounds squatting to lead the team and Wes had 25 reps of 185 pounds, which is amazing. What was really impressive was the times in the 25-yard dash. Dom was first at 2.85, Wes was either tied or a hair behind, and you wouldn't believe who was third at 3.01. Not Cubes, not Jerel, not Acker, but TREVOR. Amazing for a big guy to run that well. 

Actually it shouldn't be all that surprising that Trevor was the 3rd best in the 25 yard sprint on the team. He's right up with Dom as being the most explosive on the team when healthy. Just because you're a taller and a larger specimen like Trevor compared to guys like Cubes and Acker doesn't neccessarily put you at a real disadvantage in a distance such as 25 yards. A 25 yard dash sprint is more of a measurment of explosiveness than actual top end speed. Don't get me wrong obviously speed is involved, but it's just that your explosion off of a dead start is really what is be measured most. If it was a sprint of 60-100 yards I guarantee you guys like McNeal, Wes, and Dom would be your top three. Acker and Cubes aren't explosive guys off a stand still so that's why you don't see them near the top of the charts for a 25 yard dash. When looking at this year's NBA Pre-Draft combine results guess who had the best times in the 3/4 court sprint, which equates to 23.5 yards? Sonny Weems of Arkansas and Joe Alexander of West Virginia who were SF/PF in college. They were the only two guys to break 3 seconds in it. Guys like Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Jayrrd Bayless, Eric Gordon, and DJ Augustin all had slower times that Alexander and Weems.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2008&sort2=ASC&draft=0&sort=

[4everwarriors]

Who was first in minutes in the hyperbaric chamber, first in number of karate chops, and first in falling over a tackling dummy and breaking a hand? Hope these records can now be retired.

[77ncaachamps]

gomarquette should keep us updated on those stats.

+1

[muhoosier260]

i'm sure other people are wondering the same thing, but it would be interesting what james (and others too) could run the 40 yard dash in. i know mcfadden ran a 4.33 at this year's combine. i wonder if james could crack 4.4?

[ecompt]

Dom did a 2.85 in the 25. A 4.4 sounds possible, no?

[dwaderoy2004]

definitely possible i suppose.  but his 2.85 in the 25 extrapolates out to a 4.56 in the 40 yard dash.

[WashDCWarrior]

In short sprints, your time will improve as the distance increases.  The world record in the 100 is well below 10.0, but I've never heard of a sub-4.0 40.  I would think DJ could pull a 4.4.

[jmayer1]

In short sprints, your time will improve as the distance increases.  The world record in the 100 is well below 10.0, but I've never heard of a sub-4.0 40.  I would think DJ could pull a 4.4.

yep, your sprint times will generally improve in correlation to the distance run out to about 200 meters for most people

[mutpm]

You need to factor in that DJ's time was the 25 YARD dash.  The 40 is usually in meters.  DJ's time extrapolated to 40 meters is actually 4.99.  Of course he would faster as the last part of the run is not from a dead start. 

[ozmetal71]

Wrong, the 40 is run in yards.  Tell me, how many 40 meter times do you hear being bandied about during the NFL combine and draft?

Its the 40 yard dash.

[RawdogDX]

No I think he's right.  Nfl teams use meters.  That way they can figureout how long it takes to run a 15 meter out or see if a kicker can kick a 60 meter feild goal.

[mu_hilltopper]

AHAHAhAHahah

[Pakuni]

Wrong, the 40 is run in yards.  Tell me, how many 40 meter times do you hear being bandied about during the NFL combine and draft?

Its the 40 yard dash.

NFL 40 times are woefully inaccurate. If the "official" times posted after the Combine and Pro Day workouts were to be believed, many NFL players are faster than a juiced up Ben Johnson was the day he broke 100 meters record in Seoul 20 years ago.
Johnson ran the first 40 yards that day at 4.38 seconds.  AJ Hawk was timed at 4.38 seconds at his Ohio State Pro Day.
Raise your hand if you think AJ Hawk is as fast as Ben Johnson, circa 1988.

Anyhow, here's a good story from a few years back detailing the inaccuracy of NFL 40 times.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20050418-9999-1s18forty.html

Key section:

Track coaches go to Pro Timing Days, and they see scouts starting their stopwatches with their thumb, which has a slower reaction time than the index finger. They see them crowding the finish line and anticipating – guessing, basically – when someone will cross it. They see running surfaces that weren't professionally measured or leveled. They see no starter's gun, no automatic timing device, no wind gauge.

Grizzled track coaches love to say that the "clock doesn't lie." Well, it does in football.

Say someone clocks a hand-timed 4.35 in an NFL workout.

The accepted standard to convert a hand-timed event to its automatically timed equivalent is to round up to the nearest tenth of a second – in this case 4.4 – and add .24 seconds. Now you're at 4.64.

Most football 40s don't go on a starter's pistol but on an athlete's motion. The average reaction time among elite sprinters (from the gun to the moment they exert pressure on the starting block's electronic pads) is about .15 seconds; for a football player with little track experience it probably would be closer to .2. Add that in, and you have 4.84.

Now say it's a breezy day and you're running with a tailwind. Say it's 10 mph. Accepted track tables say that would provide a .07-second advantage over 40 yards. Add it in, and your 4.35 is suddenly a 4.91.

There's no shame in running a 4.9-second 40, of course. World-class sprinters get a bad start or get a cold day, and they go through 40 yards in the high 4s, too.

[TallTitan34]

Who was first [...] in falling over a tackling dummy and breaking a hand?

All-Time Broken Hand in Practice Leaders
1) Travis Diener
2) Jerel McNeal (though i don't think his hand came from a tackling dummy)

[Henry Sugar]

If anyone reads TMQ (Gregg Easterbrook), he harps about the inaccuracy of 40-yard dash times every year.  Basically says that the football playing difference between a 4.4 and a 4.6/4.7 is miniscule, but teams exaggerate the impact.

[chapman]

All-Time Broken Hand in Practice Leaders
1) Travis Diener
2) Jerel McNeal (though i don't think his hand came from a tackling dummy)

Of course, there's always the rumors that Diener's broken hand didn't come from a tackling dummy, or in practice at all for that matter.

[ecompt]

rumors? what rumors?