Buzz Attacks

[MUBB7703]

Read a little bit of the string about the Buzz/Strong article and the continued criticism.  I think most of the criticism of the Buzz hire is premature until we see how he coaches.  To date everyone seems to like the recruiting activity.  Even if it turns out Buzz's inexperience prevents him from obtaining the success we and I am sure he would like, how would that be any different than when Rick Majerus got the job and did not experience the success he would have liked?  Years later, I am sure a lot of people may have preferred Rick sticking around until he obtained the experience to start consistently winning.  Its time to put this topic to bed and lets concentrate on watching what happens next year.

[ATWizJr]

IF it only it were that easy! 

I agree, but there are posters who just cannot resist any opportunity to comment negatively. 

If he proves to be a bad choice I will be the first to criticize.  But, until he actually has a chance to show what he can do, what's the point of all this negativity?

[Daniel]

Amen.  Let's get behind Buzz and give him every chance to do well. 

[only a warrior]

Please don't bring Rick Majerus and his MU debacle into this.  3 very painful years to be at school and have to endure that.  I hope Buzz has a better go at it than Fat Rick - he should given how full the cupboard is for next year at least.

[detroitwarrior]

Agreed, enough of the Buzz attacks,Crean attacks and comparisons until Buzz has at least coached a season or two irrespective of what one thinks of the process of his hiring and his ability to coach. He has hired a decent staff , kept Erik Williams on board for 09,landed a potential great recruit in Maymon for 09 and appears to be working other 3 and 4 star recruits hard with his staff.....As Michael Irvin once said " Give him his due'

[Sir Lawrence]

I must be reading another version of this message board, since I don't recall seeing many, if any, "Buzz Attacks" today.  Lots of comments about Strong's influence on MU BB, but who is attacking Buzz?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I must be reading another version of this message board, since I don't recall seeing many, if any, "Buzz Attacks" today.  Lots of comments about Strong's influence on MU BB, but who is attacking Buzz?

I was going to say the same thing....I've seen one poster attack Buzz the last three days.  Maybe I'm missing it or maybe there is too much sensitivity and things that some people feel are attacks others don't.  I honestly haven't seen the attacks people are talking about today outside of one poster.   

[detroitwarrior]

Speaking only for myself and as a newbie, there have not been many today, I agree. My response to the thread meant to reference the Buzz and Crean attacks etc of the past several weeks.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm sure some will construe this as negative.  I'm just providing a link to what some of the UNO fans think about the Buzz article. 

http://www.neworleans.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=498&func=view&id=2285&catid=28

Hopefully their loss is our gain.  Hopefully they are wrong about their feelings.

[RawdogDX]

Buzz has very limited experience as a head coach.  Less then what you'd normally see hired to coach a major program.

News flash.  HE KNOWS THAT. 

Buzz must have some level of confidence and belief in his own abilities or he wouldn't have been able to convince the administration and Strong that he can handle this job.

If you consider people pointing out OBVIOUS dearths in his resume attacks then you should at least have enough faith in him that someone 'attacking' him on this messsage board won't cause him to launch into a tailspin of despair from which he becomes unable to coach.

Either he's going to win games and most people will stop, or he won't and 'attacks' will increase. (as they should)

Being able to handle critics and pressure is part of the reason that schools generally hire people with more robust resumes.  If you don't like it then post some youtube vid of yourself crying and yelling "Leave buzz alone." 

[Pakuni]

I'm sure some will construe this as negative.  I'm just providing a link to what some of the UNO fans think about the Buzz article. 

http://www.neworleans.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=498&func=view&id=2285&catid=28

Hopefully their loss is our gain.  Hopefully they are wrong about their feelings.

The last two months around here have pretty well established that the best place to get fair, objective and accurate information about a college basketball coach is from a group of fans that feel jilted.

[ATWizJr]

Pakluni +1

Raw Dog - why not leave him alone until he does something worth criticizing other than saying "yes" to MU?

[RawdogDX]

 
Did i say something inflamitory?  The worst attack i see against buzz is: he doen'st have much experience.

And you people get all sensitve like someone just slapped your sister.

I feel like this site has been an 85% love fest for buzz (who I really like).

If people aren't allowed to say "he doesn't have much experience" until he does somehtign wrong then shouldn't all the buzz is so honest, loyal, gratefull and blah blah wait until he wins a game?

How does that not go both ways.

BUt that gets away from the point that everyone on this site loves buzz, with what 2 exceptions?  Why are you people so sensitve on behalf of a coach who doesn't read this page.  I mean really who are these haters who are attacking this guy?  I'm so confused?

[MUBB7703]

If you look at my original post, I was refering to the Buzz/Strong string, which is now 3-4 pages long.  Early on in the string, someone suggested that the University was orchestrating the recent series of JS articles and media coverage because of a negative backlash involving the process of hiring Buzz and that if he does not win early, the whole situation will blow up.  My point was, lets give the guy a chance and see what happens.

[RawdogDX]

If you look at my original post, I was refering to the Buzz/Strong string, which is now 3-4 pages long.  Early on in the string, someone suggested that the University was orchestrating the recent series of JS articles and media coverage because of a negative backlash involving the process of hiring Buzz and that if he does not win early, the whole situation will blow up.  My point was, lets give the guy a chance and see what happens.

So saying that MU uses public relations experts to counter negative national press (which there is some) is an attack on buzz?
Or is saying that if buzz loses early the negative press, over the hire, will become louder an attack?

'Give this guy a chance'  that is like the offseason version or 'lets take it one game at a time.'   Completely meaningless, people will talk about all things mu bball here, the wide range of disagreement, conspiracy theorists, negative nillies and well informed posters is what makes it fun.

[nola03]

'Give this guy a chance'  that is like the offseason version or 'lets take it one game at a time.'   Completely meaningless, people will talk about all things mu bball here, the wide range of disagreement, conspiracy theorists, negative nillies and well informed posters is what makes it fun.

lol.

Hey man, give Buzz a chance dude. (He says through a puff of smoke).

[Murffieus]

I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. TC had 9 years HC experience and he finsihed only 5th or 6th this past season in the BE. I think we'll be alright on offense this coming year (hard to screw that up)----my worry is defense. Buzz's UNO team didn't perform well defensively giving up 76 ppg.

On the comparison to Rick-----one thing they have in common is that both are gym rats.

[madtownwarrior]

Murf - give it up already.    Buzz had players from a previous coach, playing in crap facilities and you use that experience to gauge how good his defense was.   

Also, you say it took Crean 9 years to finish 5th or 6th - maybe that was Crean's limitations and not the learning curve for Buzz .  You for one criticized Crean's offense against the zone or the limited use of the wide-post.   Maybe Buzz comes in with a better basketball knowledge than Crean.


With fans like you, we really don't need Louisville or Badgers fans to hate the program..

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. TC had 9 years HC experience and he finsihed only 5th or 6th this past season in the BE. I think we'll be alright on offense this coming year (hard to screw that up)----my worry is defense. Buzz's UNO team didn't perform well defensively giving up 76 ppg.

On the comparison to Rick-----one thing they have in common is that both are gym rats.

I'd love to see where Bo would have finished in the Big East this past year considering he lost at home to Marquette.  Considering IU lost to UCONN at home (when IU was still playing well).  Considering the Big East head to head wins over the Big Ten, etc.  Finishing 5th or 6th in the Big East is not like finishing 5th or 6th in the Big Ten. 

[RawdogDX]

madtow

Murf - give it up already.    Buzz had players from a previous coach, playing in crap facilities and you use that experience to gauge how good his defense was.  

Also, you say it took Crean 9 years to finish 5th or 6th - maybe that was Crean's limitations and not the learning curve for Buzz .  You for one criticized Crean's offense against the zone or the limited use of the wide-post.   Maybe Buzz comes in with a better basketball knowledge than Crean.


With fans like you, we really don't need Louisville or Badgers fans to hate the program..

what a gross over reaction.  Why is it anyone who is worried or has any concerns about an unproven comodity is getting slammed?   Completely out of line.

[Murffieus]

Madtown-------at UNO Buzz had a guy who the last time i looked is slated to go in the 2nd round of the NBA draft---------also had a guy who was the #5 trey shooter in the country plus two other very good players-----UNO was picked to win his Sun Belt division by some of the preseason mags----he finished 4th.

Conditions weren't ideal, but the last i checked the rim hangs from the same height, the ball is the same size, and the court is the same size no matter where one practices or plays. Can't use poor conditions as an excuse-----could influence recruiting going forward------but shouldn't have any effect on players already there. Was Buzz's job to sell the fact that there were no problems just opportunities!

As I say, i'm hoping for the best!

[Murffieus]

Chico----UW got better after December----whereas we didn't seem to improve. The experts and RPI thought UW was a top 10 team!

[ATWizJr]

Dog- asking that Buzz be given a chance before being criticized is meaningless?  Then, then by your reasoning,  criticizing Buzz before giving him a chance is um....meaningful?

And, whether it is true or not, stating that MU needs to use it's PR experts to qualm the negative commentary is negative commentary.

How about accenting the positive and at least waiting for something bad to happen before going negative?  Or, is it that you just can't wait?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chico----UW got better after December----whereas we didn't seem to improve. The experts and RPI thought UW was a top 10 team!

Of course UW got better after December....that's when they started playing in the Big Ten.  MU started playing in the tough Big East after December.

It's not an issue of a calendar, it's an issue of who you play.

[RawdogDX]

Dog- asking that Buzz be given a chance before being criticized is meaningless?  Then, then by your reasoning,  criticizing Buzz before giving him a chance is um....meaningful?

  The problem with everything you are saying is that NOTHING on this board is meaningful.  Nothing we say, think, or argue about matters.  And so if someone wants to express their meaningless concerns and worries about anything they can do so, being concerned about something doesn't = an attack and isn't even negative.  If I say "I'm worried that TM's post up game isn't going to improve" is that an attack?  How does concern or worry equate to an attack?

And, whether it is true or not, stating that MU needs to use it's PR experts to qualm the negative commentary is negative commentary.

you are reading way too much into this, there was one person who thinks that mu controls the media who i retorted in the other thread. 

And what's your point?  You want to end negativity?  Perhaps we can find you a sesame street board.

How about accenting the positive and at least waiting for something bad to happen before going negative?  Or, is it that you just can't wait?

wtf?  Please find one "BUZZ ATTACK!" post I've written?   Did you read the title of the thread?  it is 'Buzz Attacks' not 'optimism about buzz should not in any way be tempered by his lack of experience'.

I, as I've repeatedly said, have high hopes for buzz that doesn't mean his lack of experience doesn't cause me to experience a shred or worry.  That makes me negative? 
According to posters like you saying: "Buzz seems like a charismatic guy and, although I'm confident about his recruiting ability, because of his lack of HC experience, I'm holding back my optimism until he shows me some x's and o's."  is negative.  I don't see it that way, but is that an attack?  Does that make me a hater?

But i digress.  My point is that said 'Attacks' (for the most part) don't exist, and that they are just in the minds of hyper sensitive people.
I don't think i ever said 'negativity' doesn't exist but I do feel that many people here think that concern, worries or even tempered optimism = negativity or attacking.
Those people seem extremly reactionary and annoying and cause people to defend their positions which create most of 'attack' posts you may be able to dig up.