Doc Rivers future at MU

[Tugg Speedman]

BOT

http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml

I guess these BOT members have to leave as well ....

Rev. Timothy R. Lannon, S.J.
President, Saint Joseph's University
** Someone from another private university?  Off with his head!

Rev. Joseph M. O'Keefe, S.J.
Dean and Professor of Education, Boston College
** ditto


Rev. Douglas Marcouiller, S.J.
Associate Professor of Economics, Saint Louis University
** ditto

Rev. Thomas H. Tobin, S.J.
Professor of Theology, Loyola University Chicago
** ditto


Mr. Ulice Payne, Jr.
Bus Ad '78, Law '82, President Addison-Clifton, LLC
** Another former MU player - must have conspired with Doc to hire Buzz.  I also heard he found out about Crean leaving for IU in 2006 and told no one!


Mrs. Mary Ladish Selander
Director of Development Lyric Opera of Chicago
** she doesn't even have an MU degree!  Fire her immediately!!

Ms. Kristine A. Rappé
Senior Vice President and Chief Administrative Officer, Wisconsin Energy Corporation
** ditto


Mr. Ned W. Bechthold
Chairman, Payne & Dolan Inc
** ditto

Rev. James G. Gartland, S.J.,
President, Cristo Rey Jesuit High School
** ditto




Finally, Jce is right, I'll bet the majority of BOTs send their kids to other schools - as do the majority of BOTs at virtually all universities.

[THEGYMBAR]

Pakuni---I never said he did not know who he is. I said he not know him well, which he does not. I do not think you endorse someone you not know particularily well without getting to know him. I realize most hires are probably not known well prior to the process, but time is taken to get to know him better. Did Doc take time off from the Celtics to do so?


Another MU---Those BOT's are solid because they are imprtant outside opinions. They represent other private universities and can offer sound advice. Looking at schools they represent I would not ask them for bball coach advice, but obviously they are private schools in an urban setting. Get their input on a ton of topics.

As for UP, I put him in the Doc camp. Unbelievable resume but I would say MU has other former players with equal resumes. UP is at least active in the community and probably has the ear of other former players on a more regular basis. I have less problem with Ulice because he is active in Milwaukee/Marquette community.

In my opinion the only reason Doc is on BOT is because of name recognition. No problem with that if that is his role. If his role is to be active in time of need for bball related activities I question the place on BOT. Let him him vote on nicknames or trying to close Wisconsin Ave.. Let people active in the school determine the 2nd most important hire on campus.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

NCMUfan---I am glad Rivers transferred to IU. That transfer is a joke in many ways. I do not think Doc should have been on the BOT before TC left. I think there is conflict of interests or at least a potential for bad PR when your BOT's are sending their kids to another private school. Now if MU did not have a sport that Rivers played then the excuse is built in for them. But, Georgetown not only has a ball team, they are in our conference, a private school and recruit some of the same students.

Around the country most people would say if asked the question about "Rivers to Georgetown or MU?" answer is Georgetown, who wouldn't pick Georgetown? I say a BOT's son shouldn't pick Georgetown that's who!!!!! It looks bad.

Muball--Thanks for kind words. Honestly, I now know why MU strives for sixth place in BE. Some fans completely play follow the leader.

Schoolyard--Exactly. Indications are that Doc knew TC was leaving before anyone else on BOT or adin. That is major conflict of interest.

It would be worse if he made his son come to MU and then had him be unhappy and/or unsuccessful because he really didn't want to be there.

Kids need to be empowered to make good choices.

MU vs. living the the street and dealing drugs... I think everybody would say MU is the better choice

MU vs Georgetown... Both good schools... if I were a parent, I'd be thrilled if my kids went to either school.

[THEGYMBAR]

2002--Right on with you comments on being proud your son went to either school. Doc is visible BOT nationwide. Every bball fan knows who Doc Rivers is and what he does. That is why I think his son's choice makes Doc/MU look bad in outsiders eyes. Truthfully I have no problem with the family or their choices.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Truthfully I have no problem with the family or their choices.

I think I'm misunderstanding you then... because that is exactly what is sounds like you are doing.

You're criticizing Doc for letting his kid go to Georgetown because Doc is on the BOT at MU.

Now, the alternative would be for him to make his kid go to MU, or step down from the BOT when Jeremiah decided to go to GU.

Neither is really a good option.


Can you clarify your position a little better? Am I missing something?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Saying he's met the guy but doesn't know him "particularly well" is a far cry from not knowing who he is, don't you think?

I assume you meant this for someone else, I was just being a good neighbor and supplying the quote/ story.

[NCMUFan]

As I state earlier, I think it's really a case of sour grapes of Jerimiah Rivers heading to IU to play for Crean.  Someone needs to be punished and it is Doc Rivers in THEGYMBAR's mind.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Doc didn't hire Buzz, it was by committee.

Um, no. <a href="http://www.onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/creanleaves.html">It was not by committee, it was a "management decision."

At a press conference Wednesday afternoon at the Al McGuire Center, Marquette athletic director Steve Cottingham said the process has already begun.

"We're out there aggressively," Cottingham said. "We have developed a short list of names. We are not going to have a search committee. I think that the level that we're at, it is a management decision within the university."

[NCMUFan]

Thank you for that clarification. So the question is, was Doc Rivers part of that management?

[Schoolyard]

I believe at the presser, Fr Wild thanked those involved, including former players Doc & Ulice.

[THEGYMBAR]

NCMUfan--I do not think Doc stepping down from BOT is a punishment. Being on the BOT is a nice thing but according to many posts it is not a big player in hiring a coach. So his stepping down would not be a big thing or a punishment.


2002...No problem with Jeremiah going to GU, IU or KU or even UCLA for that matter. That is a family decision. But, the family decision is a reflection on MU. GU and MU are similar institutions in my mind.

I have ZERO problem with Doc and his wife sending their child to school other than MU. Doc is on BOT because of ball. His son plays ball and goes to school elsewhere. If his kid was a hockey player I would have no argument. We do not have hockey. So if he went to BC I could say conflict of interest.

[tower912]

Doc has always been a good ambassador of MU, perhaps not on the Wade level, but positive.   Kids go where they want to go.  His son choosing G-town and then choosing to leave G-town is not an act of treason toward MU on Doc's part.   It is empowering his child to make his own decisions.  Doc is a successful coach, father and husband, a role model and ambassador for both the NBA and MU.   To suggest he gets removed from the BOT because of choices his son made simply doesn't track.

[THEGYMBAR]

Tower---I would not want Doc removed because of choices his son made, that is family issue. I would want Doc to rethink his position on the BOT and determine what is right for all parties. I think, if Jeremiah goes to IU, it is egg on MU's face. TC is the right coach at IU for the kid but not MU.

My thoughts on his role in BOT is not meant as a slap on Doc. I have a very special spot in my heart for Doc, which is personal. But, that does not influence my thoughts on BOT. Bergstom send his kid to Harvard (just a what if), I could care less. Doc's role on BOT is as much to help to ball team than anything.

[Tugg Speedman]

GYMBAR - see the other post that rivers is not ready to commit to IU.  If he doesn't, you going to take it all back and buy Celtic season tixs?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Tower---I would not want Doc removed because of choices his son made, that is family issue. I would want Doc to rethink his position on the BOT and determine what is right for all parties. I think, if Jeremiah goes to IU, it is egg on MU's face. TC is the right coach at IU for the kid but not MU.

My thoughts on his role in BOT is not meant as a slap on Doc. I have a very special spot in my heart for Doc, which is personal. But, that does not influence my thoughts on BOT. Bergstom send his kid to Harvard (just a what if), I could care less. Doc's role on BOT is as much to help to ball team than anything.

Just to clarify:

You think Doc Rivers should resign from the BOT at Marquette University because of where his son wants to attend school?

That is your position, correct?

[THEGYMBAR]

2002Mu---I think Doc should resign from the BOT if his main role is to help the ball team in any manner. I believe he is out of touch with the school and the college game. His endorsement of Buzz publicly was a mistake. His knowledge of TC leaving ahead of everyone on the BOT/admin is not right.

As stated earlier if Doc wants to vote on Gold vs. Warriors, go ahead. But, if he wants to add his opinion on the ball team future I think he should stay away.

My stance remains the same. Jeremiah or no Jeremiah, Doc had a bigger role than he should have in the hiring of Buzz. TC is his buddy and TC told him Buzz was a good choice...thus Doc providing the ringing endorsement on a guy he does not know particularly well. His words couple with power of being on BOT influenced the braintrust of Cottingham and other BOT members.

[jce]

2002Mu---I think Doc should resign from the BOT if his main role is to help the ball team in any manner. I believe he is out of touch with the school and the college game. His endorsement of Buzz publicly was a mistake. His knowledge of TC leaving ahead of everyone on the BOT/admin is not right.

I don't think it is anyone's job on the BOT to have a role in a specific area of the University.  The role of the BOT is to be the legal governing board of the University and help to set the overall strategy for the institution at large.  The fact that TC contacted him ahead of his bosses isn't Rivers' fault - and except for the people involved, no one knows what happened after that.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

My stance remains the same. Jeremiah or no Jeremiah, Doc had a bigger role than he should have in the hiring of Buzz. TC is his buddy and TC told him Buzz was a good choice...thus Doc providing the ringing endorsement on a guy he does not know particularly well. His words couple with power of being on BOT influenced the braintrust of Cottingham and other BOT members.

I guess I'm just confused then... this thread started with the line:

"Does the transfer of little Rivers to IU make anyone think Doc has no place in MU bball's future?

You wrote that... but now you are saying Jerimiah doesn't matter?


My thoughts:

#1 Jerimiah has nothing to do with Doc being on the board of trustees.

#2 You state a several things as fact when they are speculative at best. You've taking a couple of broad quotes from the paper and projected what you think happened and what Doc's role was. (Doc knew before MU about Crean to IU, Doc doesn't know anything about Buzz but endorsed him because of Crean, Doc was a key influencer on get Buzz hired),

You don't know any of this as fact, yet you are calling for Doc to be removed. That's a pretty big jump based upon a couple of nnondescript quotes.

[THEGYMBAR]

2002MU ---I think Doc should step down. My point about Jeremiah is that it does not look good for Doc or the school. They like TC as a coach at IU but not MU?

You jump to conclusions rather quickly. I am not taking broad statements and projecting my thoughts into them. I took specific quotes coupled with things I have heard from others in the know and came to my conclusion. I would think Fr. Wild thanking Doc for his help the hiring process is not taking a broad statement.

2002---support Doc all day long. If you have no problem with Doc being on the board I accept your opinion.

[bma725]

You're making it sound like Doc was involved Jeremiah's decision to transfer from Georgetown, when he's already said he was not in favor of him leaving.

And, Jeremiah going to Iu it doesn't make MU look bad or Doc look bad, it makes Jeremiah look bad.  He comes out of this looking kind of weak, like he wasn't tough enough to handle playing in his father's shadow even if he liked the coach he'd be playing for.

[Litehouse]

Mr. Ulice Payne, Jr.
Bus Ad '78, Law '82, President Addison-Clifton, LLC
** Another former MU player - must have conspired with Doc to hire Buzz.

Well, kinda...  Doc and Ulice were more involved in the process than the other BoT members.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/04/09/more-buzz-about-buzz.aspx

[THEGYMBAR]

bma---Please let me clarify my thoughts. Firstly, Jeremiah transferring to IU or anywhere else is not my main issue. That is a family issue and the Rivers should handle how it fits their family best. My point is simple, Doc had a say in the hiring of Buzz. I do not think that he put the time needed into his endorsement. From what I have heard directly and then further read in paper, Doc endorsed Buzz based on his respecting TC's opinion.

After everything has evolved after TC departure would you want your son playing for someone with TC's character? If you were BOT would you have been pissed off on how TC departed? Would you have taken the easy route and endorsed TC's guy?

I think Doc probably had no idea that his endorsement would carry the weight it did. This hire was much tighter group then previous hires and Doc was a so-called expert. He played ball at MU in the 1980's. Someone probably called Doc and he said what he knew about Buzz and the braintrust ran with it.

[nola03]

Saying he's met the guy but doesn't know him "particularly well" is a far cry from not knowing who he is, don't you think?

Far cry? Lol.

I wrote "he doesn't really know who Buzz is". The Associated Press writer wrote "doesn't know Williams particularly well". Doc is quoted as saying "I knew him through Tom" (which would indicate acquaintance relationship in most cases).

You're just picking at little things. I'm not sure why your fervent support of Williams has to include mindless nuance like this.

Not only are the three statements in the same ballpark, they're in the same dugout.

[Pakuni]

You're just picking at little things. I'm not sure why your fervent support of Williams has to include mindless nuance like this.

Sigh ...

Please list some examples of my "fervent" support for Buzz.
Thanks.

[Cooby Snacks]

his son's choice makes Doc/MU look bad in outsiders eyes.

Why are you getting so worked up about Jeremiah Rivers?  If he was at MU (an impossibility anyway), he wouldn't get more minutes than a healthy Cubillan.  Crean can have this one.