Doc Rivers future at MU

[THEGYMBAR]

Does the transfer of little Rivers to IU make anyone think Doc has no place in MU bball's future? Seriously, he was said to be big supporter of Buzz hire, even without knowing him well. It seems to me that Doc is either completely out of touch with MU or is a complete idiot.

Doc was a good MU player and a better pro. With all the MU greats I would not have him in the top ten players of alltime. So really why is he a BOT and involved in hiring of a coach? Do we need his check that badly?

All this said, I like Doc alot. I liked him as a player and a person. He was good representative for MU when he was a player. But I really do not see how or why he is a involved in the program's decisions currently or moving forward.

[Tugg Speedman]

Does the transfer of little Rivers to IU make anyone think Doc has no place in MU bball's future? Seriously, he was said to be big supporter of Buzz hire, even without knowing him well. It seems to me that Doc is either completely out of touch with MU or is a complete idiot.

Doc was a good MU player and a better pro. With all the MU greats I would not have him in the top ten players of alltime. So really why is he a BOT and involved in hiring of a coach? Do we need his check that badly?

All this said, I like Doc alot. I liked him as a player and a person. He was good representative for MU when he was a player. But I really do not see how or why he is a involved in the program's decisions currently or moving forward.

None of this makes any sense.  He said it was his son's decision and he did not want him to transfer.

Also, shouldn't Buzz actually fail before you start assigning blame for his hire?

[nyg]

Lets see what happens in three years when his son Austin, who will probably be a five star HS point guard by then, makes his decision.

[nola03]

None of this makes any sense.  He said it was his son's decision and he did not want him to transfer.

Also, shouldn't Buzz actually fail before you start assigning blame for his hire?

I didn't see any blame laid in the first post. All he mentioned was a fact: Doc is supportive of the Buzz hiring but has been quoted as saying he doesn't really know who Buzz is.

I think you need to cut back to one latte a day. You're a little hyperactive.

[THEGYMBAR]

AnotherMU---How many D1 schools could he have transferred to? As a parent you can guide or even tell your kid what to do within reason. It does not look good for Doc or his family. Never said Buzz is going to fail. But, obviously Doc has conflict of interest so why he is involved in the process?

NYG--- Stated earlier that Austin is the one we want. So I cannot argue your point at all. I do question Doc's loyalty in the whole thing. I am glad he is at IU but I do think it looks bad for all involved.

[Tugg Speedman]

AnotherMU---How many D1 schools could he have transferred to? As a parent you can guide or even tell your kid what to do within reason. It does not look good for Doc or his family. Never said Buzz is going to fail. But, obviously Doc has conflict of interest so why he is involved in the process?

NYG--- Stated earlier that Austin is the one we want. So I cannot argue your point at all. I do question Doc's loyalty in the whole thing. I am glad he is at IU but I do think it looks bad for all involved.

Doc said he did not want his son to transfer.  But as a 20 years old, doc let him make his own decision.  Why does that disqualify him from being on the BOT?  Again this makes no sense.

[THEGYMBAR]

AnotherMU-- He should be disqualified because he is out of touch with MU basketball. Being a former player and NBA coach does not make you an expert on hiring a coach at MU. His role on the BOT is due to his stature in MU history, not because he is the most qualified.

Give me a break. Doc is awesome guy, great father, good former player, decent NBA coach and that is it. Do you think the coach of the Celtics has a lot of time on his hands to be part of a search committee? Doc is TC buddy and he passed on TC's words to the board.

If I were Doc I would have stepped down when his son went to GU. It is a conflict of interest. We try and get the same type of students/athletes. If you were Doc would you want your sons team to win or MU?

[mviale]

This argument may be moot as I dont think a BE player can transfer to another BE school.

[Tugg Speedman]

AnotherMU-- He should be disqualified because he is out of touch with MU basketball. Being a former player and NBA coach does not make you an expert on hiring a coach at MU. His role on the BOT is due to his stature in MU history, not because he is the most qualified.

Give me a break. Doc is awesome guy, great father, good former player, decent NBA coach and that is it. Do you think the coach of the Celtics has a lot of time on his hands to be part of a search committee? Doc is TC buddy and he passed on TC's words to the board.

If I were Doc I would have stepped down when his son went to GU. It is a conflict of interest. We try and get the same type of students/athletes. If you were Doc would you want your sons team to win or MU?

Ok, let me get this straight, Doc should be disqualified because his son did not come to MU.  And, if his son Austin doesn't some to MU that seals his fate on the BOT.

How is this different from Buzz hiring Jamil Wilson's father as an assistant coach and firing him if Jamil doesn't come to MU?  What you are suggesting is MU should operate on the fringes of ethical behavior.  BOT spots should be handed out not based on your ability to make the total MU experience better, but on your ability to deliver a starting point guard.


Also, why do you keep coming back to the hiring of Buzz?  Doc did not hire him, Cottingham did.  Their was no search committee.  Doc did offer his opinion and he was in favor of Buzz.  You still have not made a case for why he should step down?  And carrying your flawed logic one step further, should every member of the BOT be forced to resign that were in favor of hiring Buzz?  I believe all of them were.

[🏀]

AnotherMU-- He should be disqualified because he is out of touch with MU basketball. Being a former player and NBA coach does not make you an expert on hiring a coach at MU. His role on the BOT is due to his stature in MU history, not because he is the most qualified.

Give me a break. Doc is awesome guy, great father, good former player, decent NBA coach and that is it. Do you think the coach of the Celtics has a lot of time on his hands to be part of a search committee? Doc is TC buddy and he passed on TC's words to the board.

If I were Doc I would have stepped down when his son went to GU. It is a conflict of interest. We try and get the same type of students/athletes. If you were Doc would you want your sons team to win or MU?

You continue to prove my original thoughts: You're an idiot.

[muball]

Could be the strangest, goofy, dumb and idiotic posts I have ever read on the web and I have seen my share.  Murf makes more sense, did I say that?

[mosarsour]

This argument may be moot as I dont think a BE player can transfer to another BE school.

You are correct.

[MUDPT]

Doc should have never been on the board in the first place.

[Pakuni]

I didn't see any blame laid in the first post. All he mentioned was a fact: Doc is supportive of the Buzz hiring but has been quoted as saying he doesn't really know who Buzz is.

I think you need to cut back to one latte a day. You're a little hyperactive.

Where is he quoted as saying "he doesn't really know who Buzz is?"

[Pakuni]

Doc should have never been on the board in the first place.

Of course.
A successful, intelligent, prominent public figure and graduate is the last person Marquette would want representing it.

[MUDPT]

I agree with your points, but he also holds down a job in Boston with a schedule that is not very flexible.  I like Doc; I think he is a good representative of Marquette.  I just don't think he is that in touch with the university to help make decisions.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Where is he quoted as saying "he doesn't really know who Buzz is?"

It's not a direct quote, it was in a story from a news reporter describing the relationship

http://www.620wtmj.com/sports/17329929.html


Rivers said he doesn't know Williams particularly well, but thinks he could do the job.

"I knew him through Tom and going to practices," said Rivers, who was in Charlotte for the Celtics' game against the Bobcats on Saturday night. "It would be terrific if he got it. We'll see."

[Tugg Speedman]

I agree with your points, but he also holds down a job in Boston with a schedule that is not very flexible.  I like Doc; I think he is a good representative of Marquette.  I just don't think he is that in touch with the university to help make decisions.

You don't understand what a BOT does.  The don't make "decisions."  They hire an adminstration to do that.  All they do is oversee the adminstration.

[Sir Lawrence]

You don't understand what a BOT does.  The don't make "decisions."  They hire an adminstration to do that.  All they do is oversee the adminstration.

That, and donate a boatload of money.   Let's face it, if you aren't paying the Piper, you aren't asked to serve on the BOT. 

[Schoolyard]

But Doc isn't your average BOT guy; he was one of a few BOT guys who were involved in the hiring.  Most BOT guys and gals were shut out of the process.  Not Doc.  My biggest beef with Doc is that it appeared that he knew about TC to IU before Fr Wild & Co.  I think as a BOT member he has a fiducciary responsibility to MU to share that info.

[NCMUFan]

Is the original post again some indirect sour grapes?  A BOT member son transfers to our hated former coach, so let's get rid of that BOT member?  Let's get bigger than this pile of crap and focus on getting good players and winning.  And is it a bad thing that Doc Rivers didn't know alot about Buzz?  Doc didn't hire Buzz, it was by committee.  The memory of Crean will only stay around as long as we want him to.  Here's to future Marquette wins!

[Tugg Speedman]

But Doc isn't your average BOT guy; he was one of a few BOT guys who were involved in the hiring.  Most BOT guys and gals were shut out of the process.  Not Doc.  My biggest beef with Doc is that it appeared that he knew about TC to IU before Fr Wild & Co.  I think as a BOT member he has a fiducciary responsibility to MU to share that info.

Show mw where Doc was involved in the hiring process?  Everything I've read is it was Cottingham and Father Wild only. 

Also show me where it says he knew about TC to MU before everyone else?  Do you mean the day it came down?  Wild was on a plane to DC at the same time Cottingham was on aplane to Denver.  Maybe at that moment Crean called Rivers because the others were unavailable.

[THEGYMBAR]

NCMUfan---I am glad Rivers transferred to IU. That transfer is a joke in many ways. I do not think Doc should have been on the BOT before TC left. I think there is conflict of interests or at least a potential for bad PR when your BOT's are sending their kids to another private school. Now if MU did not have a sport that Rivers played then the excuse is built in for them. But, Georgetown not only has a ball team, they are in our conference, a private school and recruit some of the same students.

Around the country most people would say if asked the question about "Rivers to Georgetown or MU?" answer is Georgetown, who wouldn't pick Georgetown? I say a BOT's son shouldn't pick Georgetown that's who!!!!! It looks bad.

Muball--Thanks for kind words. Honestly, I now know why MU strives for sixth place in BE. Some fans completely play follow the leader.

Schoolyard--Exactly. Indications are that Doc knew TC was leaving before anyone else on BOT or adin. That is major conflict of interest.

[Pakuni]

It's not a direct quote, it was in a story from a news reporter describing the relationship

http://www.620wtmj.com/sports/17329929.html


Rivers said he doesn't know Williams particularly well, but thinks he could do the job.

"I knew him through Tom and going to practices," said Rivers, who was in Charlotte for the Celtics' game against the Bobcats on Saturday night. "It would be terrific if he got it. We'll see."

Saying he's met the guy but doesn't know him "particularly well" is a far cry from not knowing who he is, don't you think?

[jce]

NCMUfan---I am glad Rivers transferred to IU. That transfer is a joke in many ways. I do not think Doc should have been on the BOT before TC left. I think there is conflict of interests or at least a potential for bad PR when your BOT's are sending their kids to another private school.

Do you really think that he is the only member of the BOT with kids going to different private schools?