Author Topic: Crean offers Maurice Sutton 6'10 from Maryland (Read 3245 times)

ChicosBailBonds · « **on:** April 22, 2008, 07:23:38 PM »

That will make some of you thrilled since he was recruiting Sutton for a long time.

http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/?p=1938

jficke13 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2008, 07:38:38 PM »

Judas couldn't coach a big man out of a wet paper bag. The only good big man he ever had came to him good (Robert Jackson). Some coaches can take raw big men and develop some talent out of it... Judas is not one of them. If that guy signs w/ him it's the end of his career.

Murffieus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 22, 2008, 07:57:33 PM »

I agree-----I saw R JAx the summer before his final season in the old gym----he was in there with a few of the locals----he was finished product at that time----could go right or left off the postup. Crean helped him with his attitude-----but teaching him the "tricks of the trade"----no way!

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #3 on:** April 22, 2008, 08:01:00 PM »

Quote from: Murffieus on April 22, 2008, 07:57:33 PM

I agree-----I saw R JAx the summer before his final season in the old gym----he was in there with a few of the locals----he was finished product at that time----could go right or left off the postup. Crean helped him with his attitude-----but teaching him the "tricks of the trade"----no way!

I don't think Estill agrees.

thatman32 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2008, 08:45:41 PM »

Estill is an idiot. Good thing your still definding TC. Its a good thing your check won't bounce anytime soon.

Thomas' Danish Delight · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2008, 08:57:44 PM »

Wow...TC's a punk.

jficke13 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2008, 10:09:27 PM »

Estil ran his mouth and got what he deserved, facewashed by Dwade and manhandled by mJax. mJax had all the physical tools and technique when he got here. he just had a sweet situation w/ Wade and company opening it up for him.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2008, 10:41:29 PM »

Quote from: thatman32 on April 22, 2008, 08:45:41 PM

Estill is an idiot. Good thing your still definding TC. Its a good thing your check won't bounce anytime soon.

Too funny. Actually the response that he didn't improve was kind of funny. Jackson left Mississippi State with a career average of 9.5 points per game, including 11.3 his junior year.

His senior year at Marquette he averaged 15.4 points per game. He had almost as many assists his Senior year then his first three years combined. He had 507 rebounds in 3 years at MSU, then his senior year at MU had 249 in one season. Shot 78% from the free throw line his senior year, the best he did in the first three years was 69%.

At some point I expect some facts to come into some of these discussions. To suggest honestly that Jackson didn't improve from his 3 years at MSU to his senior year at Marquette is one of the funniest things I've read. Especially based on viewing one practice, wasn't this the same mistake that led to Dime a Dozen point guard?

Did he benefit from having Wade and Diener...you bet he did. But to suggest he didn't get any better, please. Just silly, absolutely silly.

http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/JacksonRobert.html

jficke13 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2008, 11:43:12 PM »

Judas' coaching had much less to do with Jackson's improvement than did the benefit of having Merritt beside him with Wade and Diener opening up defenses

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2008, 11:51:32 PM »

Quote from: jficke13 on April 22, 2008, 11:43:12 PM

Judas' coaching had much less to do with Jackson's improvement than did the benefit of having Merritt beside him with Wade and Diener opening up defenses

Fair enough, I guess Judas' recruiting then helped since he got Merritt, Wade, and Diener to come to MU and play alongside Jax.

PuertoRicanNightmare · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2008, 06:49:10 AM »

Chicos -- of course he improved. But one of the biggest reasons his numbers improved is that he was 24 years old playing against guys much younger. I believe its a philosophy of Crean's to get guys who will have a year or two advantage by the time they're seniors. Townsend, Diener, Hayward, etc. All had at least a year on their "class."

I know he was a transfer, but Jackson was a prime example of having this built-in advantage.

Also, Robert Jackson was a PERFECT example of why it was so easy to figure out what an a-hole Crean has always been. He walked around that entire season claiming Jackson could not make a layup until he arrived at Marquette. I am quoting almost literally. It was all Crean and never Jackson, despite the fact that the guy was all conference before he arrived.

I am not sure what your point is about lauding Crean on his way out the door. I understand that his wife said "hello" to you and your wife at the NCAA. That's fine. The fact is, he's gone and many of us are THRILLED.

Ready2Fly · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2008, 08:55:28 AM »

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 23, 2008, 06:49:10 AM

Chicos -- of course he improved. But one of the biggest reasons his numbers improved is that he was 24 years old playing against guys much younger. I believe its a philosophy of Crean's to get guys who will have a year or two advantage by the time they're seniors. Townsend, Diener, Hayward, etc. All had at least a year on their "class."

I know he was a transfer, but Jackson was a prime example of having this built-in advantage.

Also, Robert Jackson was a PERFECT example of why it was so easy to figure out what an a-hole Crean has always been. He walked around that entire season claiming Jackson could not make a layup until he arrived at Marquette. I am quoting almost literally. It was all Crean and never Jackson, despite the fact that the guy was all conference before he arrived.

I am not sure what your point is about lauding Crean on his way out the door. I understand that his wife said "hello" to you and your wife at the NCAA. That's fine. The fact is, he's gone and many of us are THRILLED.

Pure awesome.

downtown85 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 23, 2008, 08:58:04 AM »

I believe Chicos is an IU alum as well. He is conflicted.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #13 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:02:38 AM »

To quote Charles Barkley, Too Tan Tommy (T-Cubed) can "kiss me where the sun don't shine."

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #14 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:34:13 AM »

Not conflicted....just think revisionist history is silly. Saying a guy didn't improve who clearly did, is just silly.

As for being thrilled, depends how the next guy does....I'm sorry, but if we end up being DePaul or Seton Hall, I will not be thrilled and I honestly don't think you will be either.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:45:50 AM »

I'm thrilled regardless. You always want to get rid of the cockroaches from the kitchen no matter how tasty you think the food is.
In this case some posters thought they were dining at the Ritz, when in fact we were being served food from Ponderosa.

Avenue Commons · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2008, 03:56:54 PM »

How about all threads about TC as they relate to what he's up to at Indiana go to the Superbar? Enough is enough. Let's put him behind us.

Phi Iota Gamma 84 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2008, 04:26:10 PM »

Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 23, 2008, 03:56:54 PM

How about all threads about TC as they relate to what he's up to at Indiana go to the Superbar? Enough is enough. Let's put him behind us.

+1

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2008, 04:36:36 PM »

+1.

Unless it relates to poaching an MU recruit.

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Author Topic: Crean offers Maurice Sutton 6'10 from Maryland (Read 3245 times)

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