Baseball Pissing Match

[Rollout-the-Barrel]

If the Brewers make the playoffs, it will be largely due to CC's unbelievable pitching and I think that would give him an excellent shot at the cy young.  Especially if he goes undefeated.

[Hards Alumni]

If the Brewers make the playoffs, it will be largely due to CC's unbelievable pitching and I think that would give him an excellent shot at the cy young.  Especially if he goes undefeated.

pretty ignorant statement on all fronts.

[🏀]

If the Brewers make the playoffs, it will be largely due to CC's unbelievable pitching and I think that would give him an excellent shot at the cy young.  Especially if he goes undefeated.

Absolute pipe dream.

CC has no chance against Webb or Lincecum.

I'd say Lincecum, but W's are valued way too much.

[Rollout-the-Barrel]

pretty ignorant statement on all fronts.

Just out of curiosity how many fronts are there?

[Rollout-the-Barrel]

Stats from team's web sites/ESPN

Webb 18-4, 2.85 ERA, 3 complete games

Lincecum 13-3, 2.60 ERA, 0 complete games

Sabathia 7-0, 1.55 ERA, 4 complete games (National League only)

I probably should have used the word "good" opposed to "excellent".  Webb is dominant and has a ton of wins.  He is the favorite right now, but if Sabathia goes undefeated and pushes the Brewers into the playoffs he would have a  "good" shot at Cy young. If that occurred I would hardly consider it a "pipe dream".  Purely speculation..

[Mayor McCheese]

The thing that will kill Lincecum I feel is that he plays for the Giants, and so they will take in account on his team not being competitive, it is silly to do, but they do.

My vote is Webb.

[robmufan]

The thing that will kill Lincecum I feel is that he plays for the Giants, and so they will take in account on his team not being competitive, it is silly to do, but they do.

My vote is Webb.

But isn't it more amazing the kid can get 13 wins with an offense that is so bad as the giants? 

My vote is also webb

[TallTitan34]

It will go to Webb.

[TallTitan34]

And why did Ned throw CC out there in the 9th inning?  You were up 7 and he threw 110 pitches going in.  He finished with 130.  Ned is going to end his career because he doesn't care about CC's future.  Same goes for Sheets.  He wants to get what he can now out of the two before they bolt.

And if you don't think this overuse won't effect them next year see Dusty Baker in 2003 & 2004 along with this season.  That is what overuse does to a pitching staff.

Completely reckless.  Ned should be ashamed. 

[wadesworld]

Absolute pipe dream.

CC has no chance against Webb or Lincecum.

I'd say Lincecum, but W's are valued way too much.

ESPN.com has CC Sabathia as one of the top 4 candidates for NL MVP this year as of right now...and if he stays undefeated with an ERA in the mid 1's...

[reinko]

The above conversation was about CY Young, not MVP.  BUt I agree, with no stand out offensive players in NL, a 13-1 record with an ERA in the 1's that propels a team into the playoffs that hasn't been there in 26 years is a legit case for MVP.

As for the pitch count.  Yeah, it was irresponsible.  Hopefully Yost learns from it.  I don't have a problem with CC going the distance as long as his pitch count is below 110.

[TallTitan34]

I agree.  110 is a good number at this point in the season.

I realize the bullpen hasn't been great but in a 7 run game, that's a good time to get those guys some work to get the kinks out.

I think the Brewers will take the Wild Card easily with the injuries to the Cardinals and an overused CC is the last thing they need.

[chapman]

It would be hard to argue against a 14-0 with a 1.50 ERA and 8 complete games as being a Cy Young (maybe even MVP) candidate.  Realistically, those numbers seem impossible to achieve even with the start Sabathia has had, and that it's impossible is the reason why he would be a candidate if it were to happen.  His numbers will only get worse (or stay the same with a trip to the DL to thank) if Yost has him throwing 130 pitches and making his first sacrifice bunt since 2001 with a 7 run lead.

[Hards Alumni]

I agree.  110 is a good number at this point in the season.

I realize the bullpen hasn't been great but in a 7 run game, that's a good time to get those guys some work to get the kinks out.

I think the Brewers will take the Wild Card easily with the injuries to the Cardinals and an overused CC is the last thing they need.

100% agreed as a brewers fan.

[RawdogDX]

Another dominating win by the cubs.  Another ten K performance, what i love about it is that we are doing it without an mvp candidate and without a pitcher who will be in the top 3 for the cy young. True team in every sense.

[wadesworld]

Another dominating win by the cubs.  Another ten K performance, what i love about it is that we are doing it without an mvp candidate and without a pitcher who will be in the top 3 for the cy young. True team in every sense.

Good to hear

[MarquetteFan94]

Good to hear

Couldn't agree more.  What's wrong with Benji?

[wadesworld]

Couldn't agree more.  What's wrong with Benji?

Not quite sure.  He'll be alright.

[Hards Alumni]

Not quite sure.  He'll be alright.

hard to win with zero run support.

[wadesworld]

hard to win with zero run support.

Yeah and when you have Kapler hitting 3rd and Counsell hitting 6th (or anywhere in the lineup), and you strand the bases loaded...twice...with Kapler up, plus get thrown out going to 3rd with no outs by 4 steps and get thrown out going home with 1(?) out by 8 steps (what the HELL was Svuem thinking?!  Pence was charging in and at almost the infield dirt and got to the ball as Cameron was stepping on 3rd!), you're not going to get that run support.

[Hards Alumni]

Yeah and when you have Kapler hitting 3rd and Counsell hitting 6th (or anywhere in the lineup), and you strand the bases loaded...twice...with Kapler up, plus get thrown out going to 3rd with no outs by 4 steps and get thrown out going home with 1(?) out by 8 steps (what the HELL was Svuem thinking?!  Pence was charging in and at almost the infield dirt and got to the ball as Cameron was stepping on 3rd!), you're not going to get that run support.

as far as I am concerned after this year no one's job is safe... Skaalen, Sveum, Yost should probably all go.

I still like Seder, but his job as a first base coach is about as easy as it gets.

I would be happy to see Mike Maddox stay as pitching coach, but there needs to be some house cleaning next year.

Home runs are fun to watch and all, but I would like to see SOME strategy... The Brewers have decent team speed (Cameron, Weeks, Hart, Braun, Kapler, Hall) and don't seem to ever steal any bases because Yost seems content to just let his (and to quote Earl Weaver) 'big cocksuckers hit the ball out of the unnatural carnal knowledgeing park'.

Drives me nuts.

[wadesworld]

I still like Seder, but his job as a first base coach is about as easy as it gets.

It's not quite as easy as you think.  You have to get reads on the pitcher and their moves and that's not all that easy.  It does seem easy though.

[Mayor McCheese]

Seder reminds me of the man you would want to go out and get drunk with, and tell stories of the good old days.  Love when they have him mic'd for the game, always a treat.

[77ncaachamps]

Don't turn on WGN.

It's a late game hitfest...for the Nationals.

[wadesworld]

Could an ESPN Insider possibly copy and paste this article about Ryan Braun on here?  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3546029&name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d3546029%26name%3dolney_buster