Baseball Pissing Match

[SaintPaulWarrior]

What position is he?  I'll take Palmero, Keith Moreland, Mark Grace, Joe Carter, hell Joe Girardi over him.

Joe Carter played 23 games for the cubs.  Palmeiro played just over 250, a season and a half.  Goose 46 games with a 4-4 record and 13 saves. 

How do these players equate to being some of the all time great cubs since 1969?

[TallTitan34]

Fine Mark Grace and Keith Moreland

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Keith Moreland, now that is funny.

[jmayer1]

Fine Mark Grace and Keith Moreland

The same Keith Moreland that had less hits, doubles, triples, home runs, rbi, sb, walks, batting average, on-base percentage, slugging, ops+, and total bases than Ben Ogilve over both their careers and for 162 game averages?

You would still take him?  Hilarious!!!  Do some research once in awhile before you open your trap.

[Hards Alumni]

uhh I would take Robin Yount over Williams anyday of the week.  Yount was a special player who unfortunately got stuck on a round of TERRIBLE teams.

No mention is made of how much harder it is to bat when you are the only good player on the team (until Molitor showed up).  Yes, there were the very early 80's (a minority) and then there was the rest of the tenure.

It is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to be a better batter on a better team.

Yount > Sandberg and Williams

are you kidding me?

[robmufan]

Funny, I believe andre dawson found a way not only to be a good hitter, but an MVP for a team that didn't even make the playoffs!  Just cause your team sucks...doesn't mean you have to!

[jmayer1]

Funny, I believe andre dawson found a way not only to be a good hitter, but an MVP for a team that didn't even make the playoffs!  Just cause your team sucks...doesn't mean you have to!

Lots of guys have.  I don't think Yount was any exception.  He was a great ballplayer, as were Williams, Sandberg, and Molitor.  Williams had more power than the other three but that quartet is hard to separate.

[TallTitan34]

The same Keith Moreland that had less hits, doubles, triples, home runs, rbi, sb, walks, batting average, on-base percentage, slugging, ops+, and total bases than Ben Ogilve over both their careers and for 162 game averages?

You would still take him?  Hilarious!!!  Do some research once in awhile before you open your trap.

Fine Mark Grace. 

No way is Robin Yount better than Billy Williams.  What is with Brewers love of Robin Yount?  Is it that he's your best player ever and he would be behind about 5 Cubs since 1969?

[TallTitan34]

And Andre Dawson by far over Ben Olive or whatever his name is.

[Rollout-the-Barrel]

What's with this kid having himself a brew at Wrigley Field?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x63pte_beer-kid-at-wrigley_shortfilms

My Dad let me sip his beer all the time and I turned out ok...

[jmayer1]

Fine Mark Grace. 

No way is Robin Yount better than Billy Williams.  What is with Brewers love of Robin Yount?  Is it that he's your best player ever and he would be behind about 5 Cubs since 1969?

You named 5 players you would rather have based on their days with cubs rather than Ogilve and you were clearly proven wrong on 4 of them, you have no credibility; and it shows how little knowledge you have of the game.  I'll admit I'm homer but at least I can be objective and support my arguements.  You on the other hand...well, I think you've proven that you can't be objective or support your arguements very well.

[IAmMarquette]

What is with Brewers love of Robin Yount?

Let's see...
-2 MVPs
-one of only 3 players to win an MVP at 2 different positions
-3-time All-Star
-a Gold Glove in '82
-more hits than any player in the 1980s
-only player to collect 4 hits in 2 WS games
-member of the 3,000 hit club
-first ballot Hall-of-Famer
Need me to continue?

If he was a Cub, you'd be calling him one of the best players ever, and probably be considerably more obnoxious about it than we Brewers fans are. Instead, since he was a Brewer, in your estimation he's just pretty good. That sound about right?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Yount

[wadesworld]

ANd your ability to get mad at people and yell at them has convinced me that you are extremely knowlegeable.

It was a joke.  Every team has their ridiculous fans who think their team is God's gift to the sporting world.  Chicago just seems to have more.

I just will always remember when the Bulls were looking for a new coach and one of my friends from my floor who is from Chicago told me a new coach that they were going to get every day.  It started with Tom Izzo, then went to Avery Johnson, then to Mike D'Antoni, and there was one more, I forget who.  He also told me that Gilbert Arenas was going to sign with the Bulls this year and in 2010 Dwyane Wade was going to also sign with them.  These were all within a week of each other.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

So your roommate was able to read the newspapers?

[TallTitan34]

One thing I've noticed going back and forth between Illinois and Wisconsin is that up here in Wisconsin all Brewer fans care about is the Cubs.  That's all they focus on.

Back in Illinois no one even thinks about the Brewers.  Everyone focuses on the Cardinals while the Brewers aren't even an afterthought.

I would even go so far as to say that the majority of Cubs fans don't consider the Brewers a rival.

[RawdogDX]

It was a joke.  Every team has their ridiculous fans who think their team is God's gift to the sporting world.  Chicago just seems to have more.

I just will always remember when the Bulls were looking for a new coach and one of my friends from my floor who is from Chicago told me a new coach that they were going to get every day.  It started with Tom Izzo, then went to Avery Johnson, then to Mike D'Antoni, and there was one more, I forget who.  He also told me that Gilbert Arenas was going to sign with the Bulls this year and in 2010 Dwyane Wade was going to also sign with them.  These were all within a week of each other.

Yes, those have all been prominant internet rumors.  Ones i'm sure that you would have been reading had they been about teams you follow. 
You want to talk about rediculous homers?  I recieved the same email from THREE different packer fans, all of them sending it out to everyone on their contact list.  It had Favre's 'stats' at soldier field.  I looked at it for a bout 20 seconds and realized that if the email was true farve would have had to avg. 5.5 td's and 600 some yards per game. (admittedly it is closer to being true than any bears fan wants to admit.) 

[MarquetteFan94]

One thing I've noticed going back and forth between Illinois and Wisconsin is that up here in Wisconsin all Brewer fans care about is the Cubs.  That's all they focus on.

Back in Illinois no one even thinks about the Brewers.  Everyone focuses on the Cardinals while the Brewers aren't even an afterthought.

I would even go so far as to say that the majority of Cubs fans don't consider the Brewers a rival.

+1

[reinko]

One thing I've noticed going back and forth between Illinois and Wisconsin is that up here in Wisconsin all Brewer fans care about is the Cubs.  That's all they focus on.

Back in Illinois no one even thinks about the Brewers.  Everyone focuses on the Cardinals while the Brewers aren't even an afterthought.

I would even go so far as to say that the majority of Cubs fans don't consider the Brewers a rival.

What's your point TT?  It's clear a lot of Milwaukee fans have a Napoleon complex when it comes to Chicago, but can you blame us?   It's been 25 years since Brewer baseball has been relevant.

Not too mention, the Cubs/Cardinals, have what?  100 years of history?  The Brewers have played in NL for like 10 years.  Who else would we focus on in our division?  The Pirates?

Only a couple more innings and this non-rival team will only be 3.5 games back.

[TallTitan34]

Only a couple more innings and this non-rival team will only be 3.5 games back.

I realize you can only play who is on the schedule but c'mon you're playing the Nationals.

[IAmMarquette]

Fairly representative of Cubs fans, I think 

MONDAY, Aug. 11, 2008, 8:58 a.m.
By Linda Spice
Cubs fans headed to court today

The case of two Illinois men charged with beating a West Allis man who threw a can at their bus following a Milwaukee Brewers/Chicago Cubs game at Miller Park July 29 is scheduled to come to court today for a preliminary hearing.

Adam Miechle, 25, and Jerry Emert, 26, both of Downers Grove, are each scheduled for a preliminary hearing at 1:30 p.m. before Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Richard Sankovitz. Testimony provided at a preliminary hearing is heard by a judge to determine whether enough evidence exists for a defendant to stand trial in a case.

Both men were charged in a complaint with substantial battery, party to a crime, in the beating of Brandon Feezor, 24, of West Allis, who suffered a broken jaw, for which he had surgery.

An earlier complaint noted that Feezor had thrown a Red Bull energy drink can at a bus carrying Cubs fans, three of whom got off the bus and chased him. Two of them - Miechle and Emert - punched him and continued to beat him after he fell to the ground, Feezor told police, according to the complaint.

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=8/11/2008&id=44597

[Mayor McCheese]

I realize you can only play who is on the schedule but c'mon you're playing the Nationals.

You play them too.  Besides inter-league(which I think they need to tweak a bit), the Cubs and Brewers play the same teams.  So you got to play the Nationals earlier, but don't mention that with your giant lead at the beginning of the season, its just that the Cubs are that good.

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the sweep a couple weeks ago.

[RJax55]

Don't worry TT, the Cubs are playing the Nats in a 3-game series in a couple weeks at Wrigley.

The Brewers have a much easier schedule than the Cubs do the last 6 weeks of the season. The division will by decided by the six games the Cubs and Brewers play in September. Hopefully, the Cubs can continue to have a cushion (3 game led or more) until then.

[TallTitan34]

Fairly representative of Cubs fans, I think 


http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=8/11/2008&id=44597

At first I felt bad for the Brewer fan who got the crap beat out of him.  But then the next day as I was walking with my friend along Bluemound a car full of Brewer fans drove by and yelled "Cubs Suck" at us and then threw a glass bottle at us.

So you know what?  While three guys is excessive I am happy the guy got the crap beat out of him.  You don't throw a damn bottle at a bus much less people.  I don't feel any sympathy for him now.

[IAmMarquette]

It was a can. And I don't feel bad for the guy either, but "continued to beat him after he fell"? Yeesh.

[Mayor McCheese]

At first I felt bad for the Brewer fan who got the crap beat out of him.  But then the next day as I was walking with my friend along Bluemound a car full of Brewer fans drove by and yelled "Cubs Suck" at us and then threw a glass bottle at us.

So you know what?  While three guys is excessive I am happy the guy got the crap beat out of him.  You don't throw a damn bottle at a bus much less people.  I don't feel any sympathy for him now.

I agree, a glass bottle is excessive... a red bull can, really... how much damage is a tin can going to do?  Won't even leave a mark on a human much less a bus.  It probably didn't even make noise when it hit the bus.  And who knows what the people on the bus said to provoke the "attack" from a can.  Feel bad for the guy, no need for actual violence.  Cubs won the game that night, you know on that bus there was at least one or two ass holes to ruin the whole bunch (1 or 2 is probably lightly, it was probably a bus full of "Wrigley" fans).