Baseball Pissing Match

[MarquetteFan94]

I just think it's kind of funny that Cubs fans think losing 13-6 (I was at the game, the score is right) was the worst game that was ever played and showed how bad the Brewers were, and then they go and top it.  Definitely not saying that the Brewers are good.  Said from day 1 our pitching was not good enough.  Not sure why Doug thought that signing Braden Looper would magically make up the losses of CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets.  I had hope when we were hot early on, but it proved to be just a hot streak.  And the world I am living in is quite great right now.

And just for the record, they may have been favored, but I also said all along that the Cardinals would win the division.  Cubs fans thought they had a baseball team that was hand picked by God, and they have been terrible.

Did all Cubs fans think that was the 'worst game ever played' or just one person?  The score was 14-6 (check your sources)....I think being swept by the Pirates was more than enough to show how bad the Brewers are....and, yes, the Cubs have been terrible.  You predicted the Cardinals would win before they acquired Lugo, Smoltz, DeRosa and Holliday....I'd say the team that's running away with the division right now is a little different.

[TallTitan34]

Where did anyone comment on the Brewers losing 13-6 to the Nats?  If anyone did comment though, they were right.  Losing 13-6 to the Nats means the Brewers suck.  Likewise losing 15-6 to the Nats means the Cubs suck.

Chicago sports radio has been filled with callers all day saying it was the worst game of the season.  I don't think you'll find a Cubs fan who will deny that.

[IAmMarquette]

http://www.casttv.com/video/flhur11/prince-fielder-has-a-song-yep-by-prote-j-video

[Hards Alumni]

http://www.casttv.com/video/flhur11/prince-fielder-has-a-song-yep-by-prote-j-video

DO NOT WANT

[Jay Bee]

Only a few more days and Rich Harden will be pitching for the Minnesota Twins... nice.

[wadesworld]

Only a few more days and Rich Harden will be pitching for the Minnesota Twins... nice.

...so that they can overpay for a player who will make an appearance once every 5 days while they are 4.5 games out...nice

[Jay Bee]

...so that they can overpay for a player who will make an appearance once every 5 days while they are 4.5 games out...nice

  It would be nice.  Unlike your team, the Twins have a chance to win their division and OUR pitching is ugly.  Harden would be a huge acquisition for us and would please fans as well as some of our players.  It's quite likely that Minnesota will win the AL Central (70/30), NFC North (guaranteed), and Big Ten (men's bball, 80/20 unless Trev doesn't make it, in which case they will finish near the bottom) this season/coming seasons.  The Cubs suck, but at least they play at the fun little bar.   

[MU B2002]

i know this is supposed to be the baseball pissing match... 

Jay bee, Trevor M, the difference between an 80% chance to win the big ten or finishing in the cellar, seriously? 

[🏀]

  It would be nice.  Unlike your team, the Twins have a chance to win their division and OUR pitching is ugly.  Harden would be a huge acquisition for us and would please fans as well as some of our players.  It's quite likely that Minnesota will win the AL Central (70/30), NFC North (guaranteed), and Big Ten (men's bball, 80/20 unless Trev doesn't make it, in which case they will finish near the bottom) this season/coming seasons.  The Cubs suck, but at least they play at the fun little bar.   

Since you're such a betting man, I'll put up four-digits that the Twins, Gophers & Vikings all won't win their divisions/conferences. PM me.

[Jay Bee]

Haha... you freaks all need teal to understand.  Strange.  I have very high hopes for Gophers bball, with or without Mbakwe, and my preference would be he never plays in Maroon or Gold. 

I've offered a bet wherein I have the CONSENSUS pick, the Minnesota Vikings, to win the NFC North and that bet is still open.  marqptm, I'd need some nice odds to bet on that one, even though its almost a given to happen.

[wadesworld]

Haha... you freaks all need teal to understand.  Strange.  I have very high hopes for Gophers bball, with or without Mbakwe, and my preference would be he never plays in Maroon or Gold. 

I've offered a bet wherein I have the CONSENSUS pick, the Minnesota Vikings, to win the NFC North and that bet is still open.  marqptm, I'd need some nice odds to bet on that one, even though its almost a given to happen.

Could you please type up the definition of consensus for me?  I'm interested to know what that word means, because I clearly thought it was something different than you seem to know it is...

[Hards Alumni]

Haha... you freaks all need teal to understand.  Strange.  I have very high hopes for Gophers bball, with or without Mbakwe, and my preference would be he never plays in Maroon or Gold. 

I've offered a bet wherein I have the CONSENSUS pick, the Minnesota Vikings, to win the NFC North and that bet is still open.  marqptm, I'd need some nice odds to bet on that one, even though its almost a given to happen.

the best part about not using teal is that you can change your argument to fit whatever argument you come up with!

[Hards Alumni]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/08/31/biggest.busts/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0PnKaAaNU

hooray!

[IAmMarquette]

Ha. That's great.

[GGGG]

To bring back another discussion, JJ Hardy spent exactly 20 days in the minors so the Brewers control his rights until after 2011.

And he's pissed:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/56431322.html

It wasn't mentioned in this article, but I still think they were planning to plug him in at third in 2010 and work on converting Gamel to OF or 3B in 2011, but when he refused, the Brewers essentially decided to unload him and made him more "tradeable" by controlling him for two more years.

[MU B2002]

So I stop watching the Dodgers in the 7th last night, and wake up to find out they got Thome and Jon Garland in the 8th.    I guess Giants rotation, which looks to be most dominant in the league right now,  was making them nervous.

[TallTitan34]

To bring back another discussion, JJ Hardy spent exactly 20 days in the minors so the Brewers control his rights until after 2011.

And he's pissed:

Yeah that was a real crappy thing the Brewers did.  He would have been a free agent after 2010 but now has to wait another year because of the 20 days.

J.J. should have the players association look into this like Lirano did when the Twins had him in AAA with a 13-0 record and a sub 1.5 ERA.  I think Hardy has a better case than Liriano had as free agency wasn't involved.

[LON]

Yeah that was a real crappy thing the Brewers did.  He would have been a free agent after 2010 but now has to wait another year because of the 20 days.

J.J. should have the players association look into this like Lirano did when the Twins had him in AAA with a 13-0 record and a sub 1.5 ERA.  I think Hardy has a better case than Liriano had as free agency wasn't involved.

So it is "just business" when a player leaves his team for free agency, or plays hardball in contract negotiations...but when a team holds a player accountable for his poor play and makes the best business decision for the good of the franchise, suddenly it's "underhanded" or "below the board."

EDIT - Not saying I agree with how they handled it, but we basically wasted 1/2 a season when he was brought up batting around .185 so he got service time for that when he should have been in the minors

[GGGG]

Yeah that was a real crappy thing the Brewers did.  He would have been a free agent after 2010 but now has to wait another year because of the 20 days.

J.J. should have the players association look into this like Lirano did when the Twins had him in AAA with a 13-0 record and a sub 1.5 ERA.  I think Hardy has a better case than Liriano had as free agency wasn't involved.

Rules are rules.  He was playing crappy and refused a move to third.  I'm not going to weep for him.

[wadesworld]

Yeah that was a real crappy thing the Brewers did.  He would have been a free agent after 2010 but now has to wait another year because of the 20 days.

J.J. should have the players association look into this like Lirano did when the Twins had him in AAA with a 13-0 record and a sub 1.5 ERA.  I think Hardy has a better case than Liriano had as free agency wasn't involved.

You're kidding right?  He was batting .230 in the majors and is batting .240 in the minors.  Why should we have him up in the majors?  Not to mention, while he was in the majors he was blocking the player who is WIDELY considered to be the best SS prospect in baseball from playing in the MLB.  He didn't deserve to be in the MLB and we now have a better SS starting for us every day because of it.

[NavinRJohnson]

Agreed. They gave JJ Hardy an incredible amount of time to figure it out. He didn't, and the player they brought up to replace him performed better and is actually part of their future plans. They Players Association can look into it all they want...what they're likely to find is a bad baseball player.

[GOMU1104]

It is clear that this move by the Brewers was made solely to manipulate his service time.

If it was strictly a performance issue, why wasnt he down earlier in the year?  Why not keep him in AAA for the rest of the AAA season (6 more games, plus playoffs)?

If you cant see the Brewers' motive with this move, you dont get it. The MLBPA's job is to work in the best interest of their players, and protect them. Free Agency is the most valuable thing in sports, and the team manipulated that. Whether you think it's right or wrong (based on Hardy's performance), it is inherently wrong and the MLBPA will have an issue with this.

[TallTitan34]

This was definitely done by the Brewers to ruin his service time.  If it wasn't they would have brought him back a day sooner so he wouldn't lose it.  The Brewers haven't been playing for anything for the last month and a half.  Hardy easily could have been brought up sooner but wasn't for the sole purpose of taking his service time away.

The MLBPA needs to look into it, otherwise the Brewers will set a dangerous precedent.  Any small market team will just be able to send their star player down to avoid him becoming a free agent. 

[🏀]

This was definitely done by the Brewers to ruin his service time.  If it wasn't they would have brought him back a day sooner so he wouldn't lose it.  The Brewers haven't been playing for anything for the last month and a half.  Hardy easily could have been brought up sooner but wasn't for the sole purpose of taking his service time away.

The MLBPA needs to look into it, otherwise the Brewers will set a dangerous precedent.  Any small market team will just be able to send their star player down to avoid him becoming a free agent. 

Well, this already has happened, just not as close to the FA period as Hardy has been put through. We know the Rays held back Evan Longoria and David Price to keep their service time at max, but they were younger and possibly could legitimately make a case for them to start in the minors. The Brewers on the other hand pulled some shady crap.

[IAmMarquette]

This was definitely done by the Brewers to ruin his service time.  If it wasn't they would have brought him back a day sooner so he wouldn't lose it.  The Brewers haven't been playing for anything for the last month and a half.  Hardy easily could have been brought up sooner but wasn't for the sole purpose of taking his service time away.

The MLBPA needs to look into it, otherwise the Brewers will set a dangerous precedent.  Any small market team will just be able to send their star player down to avoid him becoming a free agent. 

There was an article not too long ago about this in the JS. In it Dave Bush, the Brewers' union rep, basically gave an "It is what it is" sort of response. Hardy's agent said something similar.

For the life of me, though, I can't find that article.