Judas on WTMJ in 15 mins or so

[MUfan12]

According to Bill Michaels. More softballs than a beer league game, I'd guess.

[Tampa Warrior]

According to Bill Michaels. More softballs than a beer league game, I'd guess.

16" ?

[MUfan12]

Probably. Michaels comes from the Ahmad Rashad school of interviewing- never heard him ask a tough question since he's been here.

[Ahoya06]

Even the local media is on their knees when talking to him. This is unbelievable...

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

What the hell was the reference to "the one column with no credibility"?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

He was referring to Hunts column...the only one that bothered to be truthful

[ChicosBailBonds]

He was referring to Hunts column...the only one that bothered to be truthful

PRN, seriously...what are you going to do when this no hack coach actually takes IU to a Final Four or better?  I'm worried about your safety.

So Bennett gone, Miller likely gone, Ford I doubt it....who's left on your list?  We know you don't want Buzz.

[Pakuni]

He was referring to Hunts column...the only one that bothered to be truthful

PRN, seriously...what are you going to do when this no hack coach actually takes IU to a Final Four or better?  I'm worried about your safety.

So Bennett gone, Miller likely gone, Ford I doubt it....who's left on your list?  We know you don't want Buzz.

The reason PRN hasn't offered a list is simple ... there are too many great coaches knocking down the doors to list them all.

And Judas? Seriously, people. Get over it.  The man left a good job for a potentially great job and a substantially better salary. I'm sure your current employers are thrilled to know none of you would ever think of doing something so nefarious, 40 percent raise be darned!

[Pardner]

The reason PRN hasn't offered a list is simple ... there are too many great coaches knocking down the doors to list them all.

And Judas? Seriously, people. Get over it.  The man left a good job for a potentially great job and a substantially better salary. I'm sure your current employers are thrilled to know none of you would ever think of doing something so nefarious, 40 percent raise be darned!

The only difference is many wrote a check to TC's cause out of their own pocket.  Everyone knew he was going to leave one day, and no one is really blaming him for taking the $$ and opportunity, but the way he left was a slap in the face to his supporters, the university, and worse, his players and recruits who he left in a lurch at the most vulnerable time.  Two of them, hoping to make millions in the NBA some day soon, without a mentor who promised to be there for them.  MU has plenty to vent about with his exit. 

[Pakuni]

The reason PRN hasn't offered a list is simple ... there are too many great coaches knocking down the doors to list them all.

And Judas? Seriously, people. Get over it.  The man left a good job for a potentially great job and a substantially better salary. I'm sure your current employers are thrilled to know none of you would ever think of doing something so nefarious, 40 percent raise be darned!

The only difference is many wrote a check to TC's cause out of their own pocket.  Everyone knew he was going to leave one day, and no one is really blaming him for taking the $$ and opportunity, but the way he left was a slap in the face to his supporters, the university, and worse, his players and recruits who he left in a lurch at the most vulnerable time.  Two of them, hoping to make millions in the NBA some day soon, without a mentor who promised to be there for them.  MU has plenty to vent about with his exit. 

Oh, OK.
You have no problem with TC leaving, he just couldn't leave at any point in which he had players on the roster with NBA aspirations. In other words, he could either recrit bad players or never leave.

Gotcha.

And what the heck do you mean a most vulnberable time? What's so extraordinarily vulnerable about now? This is when coaching changes happen. Unless someone is getting fired midseason, it's the only time coaching changes happen.

Essentially, your parameters for the timing of an acceptable departure are impossible.

[Pardner]

Oh, OK.
You have no problem with TC leaving, he just couldn't leave at any point in which he had players on the roster with NBA aspirations. In other words, he could either recrit bad players or never leave.

Gotcha.

And what the heck do you mean a most vulnberable time? What's so extraordinarily vulnerable about now? This is when coaching changes happen. Unless someone is getting fired midseason, it's the only time coaching changes happen.

Essentially, your parameters for the timing of an acceptable departure are impossible.

Okay--let me remind you what he promised the three amigos when he recruited them.  That he would be with them to the end, that they would do great things together.  Do you remember pulling them into a huddle as they closed out their freshman year?  Have you noticed the disdain and the hurt of these young men in the last two days.  TC didn't even have enough class to break the news until two-three hours after the news hit the internet and IU scheduled his news conference.  If you can defend that, fine.

Next on vulnerable.  He has been talking to IU back channel for weeks.  Yet, the University President, who opened up MU's purse four times for him, and his new, green AD, were "blindsided" by the resignation and out of town because TC couldn't man up and tell them in person.  As a result, transfers and recruits want out as as MU looks like a circus.  Other openings are filled up with the delay or well along.  Top candidates, who may have considered MU, work their pub to get raises by being mentioned for the other top jobs.  We get our pick of lead assistants, washed up coaches and mid-major HC's. 

[vealdogs]

Can someone sum up what was said?

[Pakuni]

Okay--let me remind you what he promised the three amigos when he recruited them.  That he would be with them to the end, that they would do great things together. 

Do you have a source on that? Not that they would do great things together, but that Crean promised he would be there to the end?

TC didn't even have enough class to break the news until two-three hours after the news hit the internet and IU scheduled his news conference.  If you can defend that, fine.

Crean can't control when the news leaked. I mean, sheesh, does he now possess the power to prevent IU trustees from yapping to Andy Katz? Is he powerful enough to prevent Katz from going on-air with that story?
You're simply asking the impossible in an effort to drum up some anger.

Next on vulnerable.  He has been talking to IU back channel for weeks. 

Says who?

As a result, transfers and recruits want out as as MU looks like a circus.  Other openings are filled up with the delay or well along. 

Not one recruit is asking out of his LOI because of the way Crean handled this. Not one other major opening has been filled since Tuesday. Who has MU lost out on because of the way Crean handled this? Are you telling me Sean Miller would be  riding his bike to Milwaukee if only Crean had told Fr. Wild two hours earlier?
C'mon.

[Pardner]

Pakuni--I am not going to fall into your spin doctor debate (he said/she said) like you are doing on here and the other board.  You have your opinion that, to me, makes it look like TC is defenseless/an innocent bystander (tell me Katz would not call TC up to confirm that story before he ran with it).  Many others see it otherwise, including our BOT (see below).   TC made many promises and made many mistakes...and rolls back into town tonight spinning away.  The true sign of the man is not what we write here on the anonymous internet, but it is how his players feel about him.  To me, their obvious anger at the man says it all.  Timing and class is what the rest of us are mad about, not about him leaving.

If you can defend that fine, but that is not what MU is about.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=735127

[bs4173]

Can someone sum up what was said?

...please? What were some of Michaels' questions?

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Can someone sum up what was said?

...please? What were some of Michaels' questions?

I think there were 4 questions. Imagine the most generic softball interview questions a departed basketball coach who left under questionable conditions would be asked. (And then make them softer, of course).

[bs4173]

wow. pathetic.

someone mentioned the Hunt article from MJS, in which he actually had the balls to question Crean instead of giving TC the free pass to Bloomington; here's the link in case anybody missed it-- http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=734545

[Pakuni]

Pakuni--I am not going to fall into your spin doctor debate (he said/she said) like you are doing on here and the other board.  You have your opinion that, to me, makes it look like TC is defenseless/an innocent bystander (tell me Katz would not call TC up to confirm that story before he ran with it).  Many others see it otherwise, including our BOT (see below).   

Did you read the story you linked?

"According to one top Marquette official, it was not the way Crean wanted the story to play out. "It didn't go down the way he wanted it to," said the official. "It didn't happen the right way." "

[Pardner]

Pakuni--I am not going to fall into your spin doctor debate (he said/she said) like you are doing on here and the other board.  You have your opinion that, to me, makes it look like TC is defenseless/an innocent bystander (tell me Katz would not call TC up to confirm that story before he ran with it).  Many others see it otherwise, including our BOT (see below).   

Did you read the story you linked?

"According to one top Marquette official, it was not the way Crean wanted the story to play out. "It didn't go down the way he wanted it to," said the official. "It didn't happen the right way." "

Yeah I read the whole story about the BOT and admin who were quoted by name  being "blindsided" and not being asked permission by IU to talk to him vs. a TC spun quote by an unnamed insider... and the other stories about Harbaugh telling an Indy radio station at 2:00 he was jumping and the other about IU talking to TC a week ago after Bennett turned them down...or about Doc, Izzo, Mac and others knowing days prior.  Yet, TC must have known the story was gong to leaked by his buddy Katz and the IU press conference was scheduled...but forgot to call a team meeting until 2-4 hours later.  Spin away...it is what it.  TC is innocent or TC was thinking only of himself?   

Yawn

[Marquette84]

The reason PRN hasn't offered a list is simple ... there are too many great coaches knocking down the doors to list them all.

And Judas? Seriously, people. Get over it.  The man left a good job for a potentially great job and a substantially better salary. I'm sure your current employers are thrilled to know none of you would ever think of doing something so nefarious, 40 percent raise be darned!

The only difference is many wrote a check to TC's cause out of their own pocket.  Everyone knew he was going to leave one day, and no one is really blaming him for taking the $$ and opportunity, but the way he left was a slap in the face to his supporters, the university, and worse, his players and recruits who he left in a lurch at the most vulnerable time.  Two of them, hoping to make millions in the NBA some day soon, without a mentor who promised to be there for them.  MU has plenty to vent about with his exit. 

Seriously, what did you expect Crean do?  Come back and offer the boosters a chance to have a final chit-chat for old times sake before taking off for Bloomington?  There was absolutely nothing good that could have come from that conversation. 

As far as the admin being "blindsided" because Indiana didn't ask for permission--again, what do you expect?  IU's athletic department plays hardball--why on earth would they ask for permission when there's a chance the answer might be no?  Seriously.  What possible gain is there for IU in making sure that the MU administration is fully and completely informed of their interest in Crean?  It's as if you believe that IU wants MU to pull out all the stops to get Crean to change his mind. 

I just don't get the attitude that Indiana and Crean are somehow screwing MU because they didn't make sure that MU had plenty of opportunity to get Crean to change his mind and stay at MU. 

For all your accusations of ego and spin, Crean had absolutely no incentive to leak the news early.  None whatsoever.  Even if he's the biggest egomaniac on earth, there is no benefit (and plenty of foreseeable downside) by leaking the information at 2:00 rather than 6:00 PM.  Either way you're going to make the 10:00 news--and even Crean had to know it wouldn't have helped him to have players learn from ESPN rather than first hand.

Who had the incentive to leak?  IU.  By getting the news on the wires when they KNEW the MU administration was out of communications, there was absolutely no way for them to prepare an 11th hour counteroffer.  By getting news out before Crean could meet with the players, they precluded the possiblity that the team talks Crean out of it.     

Finally, given your concerns over the impact on players and recruits, do you personally hope that MU avoids hiring an existing head coach?   I'll bet that you haven't actully thought this one through.  MU is going after some head coaches. 
1.  Should MU ask for permission first?  What if Baylor or VCU or Wright State says no.
2.  When MU makes an offer, should we send that coach back to privately meet with his team and simply hope that he doesn't get talked out of taking the new job? 

[MUsoxfan]

Finally, given your concerns over the impact on players and recruits, do you personally hope that MU avoids hiring an existing head coach?   I'll bet that you haven't actully thought this one through.  MU is going after some head coaches. 
1.  Should MU ask for permission first?  What if Baylor or VCU or Wright State says no.
2.  When MU makes an offer, should we send that coach back to privately meet with his team and simply hope that he doesn't get talked out of taking the new job? 

Maybe my head's a little too high in the clouds, but I say yes to #1.     I think it's fair to any school who pays a substantial salary to a coach under contract that MU should ask and not be sneaky pricks about it.   

As for #2, that's up to him.   But I would hope that any coach MU would hire would be classy enough to say proper goodbye's.    Then again, maybe I'm just wrong about all this

[Marquette84]

As for #2, that's up to him.   But I would hope that any coach MU would hire would be classy enough to say proper goodbye's.    Then again, maybe I'm just wrong about all this

#2 isn't up to the coach--its up to MU. 

The coach would probably love to have a day so he can go back and tell his team, his administration, supporters etc.  He schedules a press conference for the next day figuring that he can have a relaxed goodbye meal.

The question is whether you would feel completely comfortable giving the other team 8 to 12 hours to pressure your new coach not to accept the deal you just gave him?

I'm convinced that IU leaked this news specifically to force Crean's hand and make sure that he didn't get cold feet (or a convincing counteroffer). 

[MUsoxfan]

#2's a tough call.   Do I think enough of MU as a program that it wouldn't matter what the other school says...he'd be tripping over himself to get here?   Probably.  It would depend on what school this guy came from I guess.   

I just think we're in a different position than we were 9 years ago and we're higher up on the totum pole of programs.   IU probably wouldn't have had to worry about TC coming back to Milwaukee for a day to let everyone know, because I'm quite sure they knew there was no way he'd be not coming back to Bloomington.   It's all about the $$ for him anyway, and if they really negotiated for 36 hours or whatever it was...then IU was fully aware of that and knew MU wasn't going to pay that kind of money