bo outcoached.... again

[Warriors Forever]

Just like when MU beat UW hyphen Madison. ryan is why they lost.

As the old saying goes "you cut off the head and the body dies".  We all know that without Curry, Davidson does not win tonight.

Bo's job is to win games.  All game I saw Curry running all over the court, getting open looks.  I never saw him hit the floor ONCE!  NOT ONCE!

Bo has a balanced team vs. a team that has 1 player they rely on.  curry is built like an average 13 year old.  You have to knock him down a few times.  If you noticed early in the game, the Badgers had layups, and they were the recipients of hard fouls by Davidson.

Davidson knew how to play the game.  Old School.  Ryan got outcoached tonight.  should have had his players pound the ball inside all game. DEFINITELY should have knocked Curry down a few times (even if he was afraid to drive).

I'll guarantee you - you knock him down a few times on 3's (a small price to pay), and all of a sudden, those 3's he is taking will start falling short.     You shake him up - you make him wonder if he is gonna get knocked to the ground EACH AND EVERY time he shoots.

Davidson set the tone early by their point guard crashing into Krabbenhoft on an easy layin.  The Badgers ran away like little girls. I guarantee that if you knock Curry down hard a few times, his shooting percentage goes down with it.

I'm not advocating hurting Curry - I'm advocating old school basketball - no layups and no letting one player go off on you.

ALL Bo's fault - he should have had someone put him on his butt in the 1st half.  Instead he let him run around and be the little pretty boy and carve up the Badgers.

Bagders deserved their fate.  ryan is clearly not better coach than Crean. Tonite's lack of coaching was inexcusable.  ryan must have had Davidson on the moneyline (+180).

[ecompt]

You can't argue with his record, but the guy's a whining jerk, an out-and-out liar to recruits, and his players are bullies. Elbow to the face, then a dive when they're brushed at the other end. It works in the Big Ten because Bo knows all the refs (biblically, it appears) and that style can wear down some of the equally slow teams in the league, but when they play quicker teams and get officials who won't listen to Bo's cries, they invariably lose.

[4everwarriors]

Where was Trevon Hughes?

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Where was Trevon Hughes?

I was shocked that something like the Hughes injury would rattle such a veteran and experienced team. They looked like a CYO team without their 5'9'' center.

Apparently, if you lose Hughes before a massive game (Texas) it's easier to play then when you lose Hughes 8 minutes into the game (Davidson).

[BrandonA]

WI was totally out hustled.  Davidson showed they want it more.  Bo needs to learn when to give up his "Hoosiers" style pace and adjust to a competitor. 

[mviale]

Let me get this straight - you think UW lost because it was missing Trevon Hughes?

UW lost that game badly.  This was more due to recent evidence that not one of big ten programs belonged in the top 20.  They were given a high seed and did not have to play a creditable opponent until the 3rd game.

[Big Papi]

UW just can't matchup with any team that has quickness.  The only team they beat with quickness this year has probably been Texas.  They just don't have the foot speed to defend the way they can defend a majority of the slower Big 10 teams. 

Granted, Curry hit some tough shots but also had wide open looks.  Bucky frankly got lucky that Kansas St. could not buy a 3 in the second round because those 3 attempts were WIDE OPEN and any success would have probably resulted in a bucky loss.  That is why I thought it was hilarious that the reporters were talking about bucky's great defense against Kansas St. when they were showing tape of KSU shooters clanging wide open 3s.  And that is why I find it hilarious when bucky fans have the nerve to say that they have improved soooooo much as a team during the year that they would beat MU today.  That is a complete joke because we are still way quicker than they are as they just don't matchup against us. 

For bucky to succeed on the national stage, they will need to recruit more athletes.  Fortunately, I don't think Bo can stop from recruiting every single slow big man he can find.  I guess it works in the Big 10 but for how much longer.

[MilTown]

You guys have a short memory. Davidson just beat the Big East regular season champion and tournament runner up. Davidson is a quality team that has it going at the right time. Speed and movement killed the badgers. Passing and cutting killed the badgers. Shooting 54% (if i remember correctly) from the field killed the badgers. Could Bo have instituted a better game plan to slow the game down, maybe, but from the start, Davidson dictated the tempo. You have to give all the credit to Davidson on this one. I actually think UW vs. Georgetown would have been a better matchup for Wisconsin as GT runs more of a half court game that would have allowed wisconsin's defense to get set most of the time.

And I'm not sure why there is so much hate for Bo Ryan and why as a Marquette fan I should even care about him and if he is a better coach than Crean. Granted. we play once a year but it's not like Wisconsin is a conference foe. Maybe we go after some of the same recruits, but otherwise, whats the deal? 

[ecompt]

we beat them in December, we would have beaten them in January and February, we would have beaten them last week, we'd beat them all summer. We're quicker, have more heart and are better coached. Period.

[romey]

You guys have a short memory. Davidson just beat the Big East regular season champion and tournament runner up. Davidson is a quality team that has it going at the right time. Speed and movement killed the badgers. Passing and cutting killed the badgers. Shooting 54% (if i remember correctly) from the field killed the badgers. Could Bo have instituted a better game plan to slow the game down, maybe, but from the start, Davidson dictated the tempo. You have to give all the credit to Davidson on this one. I actually think UW vs. Georgetown would have been a better matchup for Wisconsin as GT runs more of a half court game that would have allowed wisconsin's defense to get set most of the time.

And I'm not sure why there is so much hate for Bo Ryan and why as a Marquette fan I should even care about him and if he is a better coach than Crean. Granted. we play once a year but it's not like Wisconsin is a conference foe. Maybe we go after some of the same recruits, but otherwise, whats the deal? 

I think the answer is pretty simple.  Because the media and the fans in Wisconsin, by and large, have a hard on for UW and dismiss MU.  Frankly, for many years I was fine with UW - I enjoyed following them and I enjoyed their successes from afar (I live in ACC/SEC country).  But when the media "decided" UW was better than MU - and started the "lovefest", it got tired very quickly.  Why does that matter to me?  I guess because it does.  If we were treated fairly in the media, perhaps I could cheer them on.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Pat Forde has it in his column.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3318506&sportCat=ncb


It also was a very embarrassing undressing for the impostor Badgers, who were beaten into submission with 12 minutes left to play.

These were your Big Ten champions, ladies and gentlemen, being absolutely punked by the champs of the Southern Conference. Wisconsin fans enjoy railing at the perceived lack of respect accorded coach Bo Ryan, but let's examine his body of work in the NCAA tournament, when reputations are really made: His nine Big Dance victories have come over teams seeded 9th, 12th, 13th, 11th, 14th, 10th, 15th, 14th and 11th.

And now he's been run off the floor by a No. 10 seed. The key word being "run."

In Big Ten slogball, where scoring 70 points is apparently against the rules, there's no need to get back quickly on defense because nobody pushes the ball upcourt. Especially after made baskets. That fact jumped out on film to Davidson.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Cross Pat Forde off the Ryan's Christmas list. Wow!

[MilTown]

UW is the state university. Most of the students and alumni are from Wisconsin and stay in the state. Why would the state media not cover them like they do?? I would never expect Marquette to receive equal media attention in Wisconsin. In Illinois its the same way. The Illini are the most covered sports team. In Chicago its a bit different, but Illinois is king. I figure most states are similar.

[ChicosBailBonds]

UW is the state university. Most of the students and alumni are from Wisconsin and stay in the state. Why would the state media not cover them like they do?? I would never expect Marquette to receive equal media attention in Wisconsin. In Illinois its the same way. The Illini are the most covered sports team. In Chicago its a bit different, but Illinois is king. I figure most states are similar.

UCLA and USC are put under the microscope consistently, especially when they aren't winning.  I never say that while I lived in Wisconsin.

[Big Papi]

You guys have a short memory. Davidson just beat the Big East regular season champion and tournament runner up. Davidson is a quality team that has it going at the right time.

Davidson is a quality team but I was under the impression by Bucky fans and local media that:

The swing offense is the best offense and has no faults
That Bo is the greatest coach of all time
That UW was actually under seeded and really should have been a 2
That UW has really grown together has become such a great team that they are way better than MU
That MU a 6 seed was outcoached by Stanford a 3 seed yet Davidson a 10 seed is better than UW a 3 seed.

And lets not forget that while Georgetown did lose to a good Davidson team, they only really had 1 day to prepare and had a fairly substantial lead in the second half before blowing the game while UW just plain got their butts whipped in the second half after having 5 days to prepare.  

MU, a six seed, blew the game against Stanford a 3 seed

[romey]

UW is the state university. Most of the students and alumni are from Wisconsin and stay in the state. Why would the state media not cover them like they do?? I would never expect Marquette to receive equal media attention in Wisconsin. In Illinois its the same way. The Illini are the most covered sports team. In Chicago its a bit different, but Illinois is king. I figure most states are similar.

Okay, so if "in Chicago it's different" then why isn't it different "in Milwaukee"?  Does the Urinal Sentinel give MU a fair shake?

[MUEng92]

The thing I enjoyed the most was this comment after the article:

b_shaker333 (8 hours ago)
As a Wisconsin fan I was impressed with Davidson. They played the way Wisconsin played all season, congrats to them, they deserve it. I hopw they go even further in the tournament, I'll be rooting for Davidson from now on. But make no mistake about it, watch out for Wisconsin next year, they are no cinderella team.

What part of the way Davidson ran UW out of the dome was the way Wisconsin plays?

[MilTown]

In Chicago, DePaul gets some coverage along with UIC, Southern IL, Bradley, Northern IL, ND and Loyola, but nothing compares to the Illinois coverage other than maybe ND Football.

Think about the numbers in Wisconsin and in Milwaukee. I think it's safe to say that there are more Wisconsin fans in the readership and viewership figures vs. Marquette fans. Those numbers count. It all comes down to advertising money, time, and costs. Feel lucky that you have Rosiak. I don't think DePaul even has a beat writer in either Chicago paper. 

[ecompt]

Then change the name of the city's newspaper. It's the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, not Madison Journal Sentinel or Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. Their primary job is to cover Milwaukee.

[77ncaachamps]

The thing I enjoyed the most was this comment after the article:

b_shaker333 (8 hours ago)
As a Wisconsin fan I was impressed with Davidson. They played the way Wisconsin played all season, congrats to them, they deserve it. I hopw they go even further in the tournament, I'll be rooting for Davidson from now on. But make no mistake about it, watch out for Wisconsin next year, they are no cinderella team.

What part of the way Davidson ran UW out of the dome was the way Wisconsin plays?

That's just insane. When was Wiscy a cinderella team? And I'd be "impressed" too if the Southern Conf Champ runs all over the Big Ten champ.

Forde hit the nail on the head: WI is OVERRATED in the NCAAs.

That's one thing the Crean-despisers can't criticize him for: being able to beat a team higher than the 9th seed (beat #6 Missouri, #2 Pitt, and #1 Kentucky in 2003).

[mviale]

well - we all know who was the best team in the state this year. 

[augoman]

Then change the name of the city's newspaper. It's the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, not Madison Journal Sentinel or Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. Their primary job is to cover Milwaukee.

In fact, if you pick up the Wisconsin State Journal, MU couldn't get mentioned if the union burned down.  The sports staff at the urinal, and many other local media/journalists are mostly uw grads, and have a natural bias.  I have often found better MU coverage in the Chi Tribune and USA Today.  What really chagrins them is when UW is eliminated and MU is winning- they HAVE to cover us.

[RawdogDX]

UW is the state university. Most of the students and alumni are from Wisconsin and stay in the state. Why would the state media not cover them like they do?? I would never expect Marquette to receive equal media attention in Wisconsin. In Illinois its the same way. The Illini are the most covered sports team. In Chicago its a bit different, but Illinois is king. I figure most states are similar.

do you live in IL?  I don't agree with you at all.  I just moved to vegas and i still see wisconsin stuff all over the place people are obsessed about it. 
I have to memorize wisconsin stats to talk crap at the poker table so that pat ford quote is gold for me.

[Mayor McCheese]

the problem I see with Bo Ryan's offense/players and most of the Big Ten is the same as in football... The Big Ten lacks any speed, and when it comes down to it, speed and talent wins games, and in Wisconsin's case, having 4-5 6'10"-7 footers who are all stiffs just doesn't get the job done.