Will MU make a Final Four..............

[MUfan12]

MU coaches can count as well... if the scholarship isn't there why keep the offer on the table?

At the same time what happens if DJ stays? Do you cut out the weakest student? Weakest player? What if no one willingly transfers, do you lean on someone to leave?

I hate to say it, but Saunders' arrest bailed them out. Once that story broke he was out of the picture. I hope this year's situation gets resolved in a more positive way.

[ChicosBailBonds]

MU coaches can count as well... if the scholarship isn't there why keep the offer on the table?

At the same time what happens if DJ stays? Do you cut out the weakest student? Weakest player? What if no one willingly transfers, do you lean on someone to leave?

I hate to say it, but Saunders' arrest bailed them out. Once that story broke he was out of the picture. I hope this year's situation gets resolved in a more positive way.

Yes, but if our coaches say "you have a scholarship IF one of our guys leaves early but there is no guarantee that he does", I have ZERO problem with it.  At that point it's solely on the player to decide if he wants to risk that.  If it's positioned that way, I just don't see it as an issue....honesty is the best policy and if you're straight up front with the kid and he still wants to come and risk it, well then that kid has made that choice.

[MUfan12]

if our coaches say "you have a scholarship IF one of our guys leaves early but there is no guarantee that he does"

If that is the case, and I really hope that is the case, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I just have a hard time imagining a player who likely has 3 or 4 other offers on the table passing that up for the chance of a scholarship at Marquette. We have a good program, but I can't see guys taking that risk to come here.

I really hope they are up front with the recruits and some still decide to take that chance, it says a lot about how they view the program.

[IAmMarquette]

I know it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, but it feels good to type this nonetheless:

81-76.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

As Chicos points out, 3 straight years is great and some movement in the tourney would be especially great. My problem is our recruiting doesn't seem to be getting better.

You've been telling us for years how lousy our 2003 recruiting class was--are you really suggesting that the last three years were no better than 2003?  

You can't possibly believe that garbage.  

It's not even detbatable that our current junior class is first or second best that Crean has brought to MU.  

Now compare who's leaving to who's arriving.  Last year we lose Lott and Kinsella and gain Christopherson, and Mbakwe.  But recruiting is not improving?

This year we lose Fitzgerald (transfer from Tulane), Barro (didn't play in HS) and Blackledge (who's recruitment you've ripped mercilessly), and replace them with Williams (damn near made the McD all AMerica team), Tyshawn Taylor (one of the top guards in the country), Fulce (who was good enough to be signed by Texas A&M) and O'Tule (who's tearing it up in a tough Houston HS conference).

Yet you claim recruiting isn't getting better?

Your hatred for the program obviously clouds everything post.  There is no credibility to the comment that recruiting hasn't improved.  

And for the record, while Xavier has had a couple of good teams over the past 20 years, their program is not "arguably better" since the late 1980's.  Perhaps it was a typo, and you meant to say that Xavier was a better program IN the late 1980's.  Since?  No way.  

Bizarre response to what I thought was a relatively positve post.

I guess it takes comparing each class to possibly the worst class in the history of the program (not a single one stuck it out...a doughnut!!) to create an "uptick" in recruiting. That's what I call fuzzy math.

Even Ripon College has been landing better recruits than our 2003 group.

SJS - Did you forget your medication again? 

[rocky_warrior]

Yes, but if our coaches say "you have a scholarship IF one of our guys leaves early but there is no guarantee that he does", I have ZERO problem with it.  At that point it's solely on the player to decide if he wants to risk that.  If it's positioned that way, I just don't see it as an issue....honesty is the best policy and if you're straight up front with the kid and he still wants to come and risk it, well then that kid has made that choice.

I agree - that seems fair enough, but since all 4 recruits have signed LOIs, I believe Marquette is now contractually obligated to give them scholarships as long as they are academically eligible.

Perhaps there's no rule that says it has to be an athletic scholarship - I suppose we could give them a full ride and tell them they won't be playing hoops - but I've never heard of that loophole (nor do I think any basketball recruit would accept that).

Regardless - this all off-topic from the thread.  M "gut" is in the 5-9 years camp for a FF, but it's too hard to say really. 

Of course, we have a lot of hoops left this year - and plenty of time in the off-season to talk about this stuff   

[pbiflyer]

or so the Badgernation idiots are saying.   

Isn't that redundant? 

Heck, I am impressed that they know who our 4 recruits are for next year. I have no earthly idea who theirs are.

[WashDCWarrior]

if our coaches say "you have a scholarship IF one of our guys leaves early but there is no guarantee that he does"

If that is the case, and I really hope that is the case, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I just have a hard time imagining a player who likely has 3 or 4 other offers on the table passing that up for the chance of a scholarship at Marquette. We have a good program, but I can't see guys taking that risk to come here.

I really hope they are up front with the recruits and some still decide to take that chance, it says a lot about how they view the program.

I hope this is the case too.

Either way, the NCAA should have implement a better policy for handling this.  Completely eliminating oversigning won't work.  Remember the UNC championship team a few years ago with four (?) early NBA entrants.  Without oversigning, they wouldn't be able to get LOIs, until way too late.

I'd suggest, that if a school wants to overcommit, they need to provide for where the extra scholarship will come from.  That either gets approved, meaning the school can overcommit, or rejected, meaning they cannot.  If the scholarship that the school says will open actually becomes available, that's fine.  If it doesn't, the school gets dinged.  Then they could have some penalty, where if a school gets dinged twice in four years, they cannot overcommit for the next four years.

For Example, last year, MU's Athletic Dept would have submitted a request to overcommit, stating that James' scholarship would be available as he would be going pro.  The NCAA would have reviewed, found this to be a reasonable request and approved.  When James used his scholarship again this year, MU gets dinged.

This year, MU would have submitted the same request, and maybe been approved.  If they were and James stayed for his senior year, MU would be dinged again.  Thus no more overcommitting for 4 years.

[only a warrior]

Isn't that redundant? 

Heck, I am impressed that they know who our 4 recruits are for next year. I have no earthly idea who theirs are.

I'm with you - I have a hard enough time keeping up with our program, let alone time to go stir up sh*t on another board. 

GO MU

or so the Badgernation idiots are saying.   

Isn't that redundant? 

Heck, I am impressed that they know who our 4 recruits are for next year. I have no earthly idea who theirs are.