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[Mu8891]

Panda is right.  MU now plays 5 or 6 competent players ( including Chase and
Ben ).

So... MU has 3 guys to count on next year.
DO ? Meh. Hasn't done shyte ...

They need 3 or 4 top level portal players, and one or two of the redshirts to be ready to play to get back to the top of BE.

We'll see.

[wadesworld]

Would a coach with a modern approach to roster building lead us to a 20 loss season this year?

You're right, no coach who has built their roster with transfers has had bad seasons since NIL and the portal have come around.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

That's fair. My point was that a program having a GM has nothing to due with the competency of the HC. Shaka has the ability to due every job at MU better than anyone on the staff, he just doesn't have the time to do every job.

As I mentioned previously, Utah has 9 US college scouts in addition to the HS and international scouts. Maybe they are an anomaly, but a staff like that can't all report to the HC. 

We should definitely try to be more like 10-20 Utah!

[panda]

You're right, no coach who has built their roster with transfers has had bad seasons since NIL and the portal have come around.

Do we do better or worse than this season if we have competent players in place of Caedin Hamilton, Josh Clark, Tre Norman and Sean Jones?

[wadesworld]

Do we do better or worse than this season if we have competent players in place of Caedin Hamilton, Josh Clark, Tre Norman and Sean Jones?

Which is a completely different question.

But yeah, if we have better players in place of the players on our roster, we probably do better.  Revolutionary stuff.

[WhiteTrash]

We should definitely try to be more like 10-20 Utah!

LOL. Good observation. Not really related to my point, but valid.

[Galway Eagle]

He was a recognized sought after high potential player.

I am talking about Kuath, morsell and kolek. Three proven players which took a team in turmoil and maintained tournament status.

I get Kolek was proven in the A10 but you're just as likely to get Chartouney as you are Kolek from the A10 Freshman of the year. And after his first year it seemed more like we were going to get Chartouney who occasional made a sick nba pass.

[Shooter McGavin]

I get Kolek was proven in the A10 but you're just as likely to get Chartouney as you are Kolek from the A10 Freshman of the year. And after his first year it seemed more like we were going to get Chartouney who occasional made a sick nba pass.

Yeah, not falling into that A 10 freshman player of the year thinking again.  I used that logic a few months ago and I think you called me out on Chartouney back then.   

[panda]

Which is a completely different question.

But yeah, if we have better players in place of the players on our roster, we probably do better.  Revolutionary stuff.

Initial query - Would a coach with a modern approach to roster building lead us to a 20 loss season this year?

Your illogical response - You're right, no coach who has built their roster with transfers has had bad seasons since NIL and the portal have come around.

It's a challenge to debate with you because of such hyperbolic responses. We're in this position now because Shaka carried deadweight for far too long before cutting bait. That isn't some blessing in disguise. It's a major red flag that I hope is rectified this off season. I would love to be proved wrong but I have every right to be concerned given how Shaka torpedoed this program by his own stubbornness.

[panda]

I get Kolek was proven in the A10 but you're just as likely to get Chartouney as you are Kolek from the A10 Freshman of the year. And after his first year it seemed more like we were going to get Chartouney who occasional made a sick nba pass.

Fake news #lies

I loved kolek from day one and was one of the only ones who lauded his floor game rather than the other noobs who assumed he was just a spot up shooter. He was a legit pick up and no one should ever dismiss picking up a conference freshman of the year.

[Nukem2]

Fake news #lies

I loved kolek from day one and was one of the only ones who lauded his floor game rather than the other noobs who assumed he was just a spot up shooter. He was a legit pick up and no one should ever dismiss picking up a conference freshman of the year.

Yeah, Kolek was quite good his first season at MU. He just had an inconsistent 3 point shot which he corrected over the summer before his junior season.

[MU82]

Fake news #lies

I loved kolek from day one and was one of the only ones who lauded his floor game rather than the other noobs who assumed he was just a spot up shooter. He was a legit pick up and no one should ever dismiss picking up a conference freshman of the year.

He was at best only an OK point guard his first season at Marquette. He couldn't shoot from the outside, he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, and he couldn't go to his right. He averaged 6.7 pts on almost unbelievably bad 32% shooting, and defenses didn't respect him. He had several crises of confidence, leading Shaka to bench him during games numerous times.

To be any good in 2022-23, Marquette needed better PG play, either from Kolek or someone else. To TK's immense credit - and to the credit of the coaches who helped him - he improved a bazillion percent. He shot 40% from 3, was much better going right, developed a float game, and became good around the basket. He was a threat to score, which kept defenses honest and opened up passing lanes for him. As you said, he had a great floor game as well as unique court vision; the fact that teams finally had to respect his ability to score made him an All-American.

Had he not worked so hard and improved so much, three years of soph-level Kolek would have been no bueno. Thankfully, he took care of business and became a star as a junior and senior. Again, a credit to him.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

He was a recognized sought after high potential player.

I am talking about Kuath, morsell and kolek. Three proven players which took a team in turmoil and maintained tournament status.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be the epitome of positivity if one of the transfers brought in this offseason averaged 3 points and 10 MPG. 

I'm curious...whose position would you rather be in going into this offseason?

Marquette's or IU's?

[panda]

Yes, I'm sure you'd be the epitome of positivity if one of the transfers brought in this offseason averaged 3 points and 10 MPG. 

I'm curious...whose position would you rather be in going into this offseason?

Marquette's or IU's?

I was - can't say I watched much omax his freshman year, but I lauded kuath morsell and kolek from day 1. They were incredible pickups that immediately changed the trajectory of our program.

There's a search function - you have yourself a homework assignment if you don't believe me.

[Small Orange Soda]

He was at best only an OK point guard his first season at Marquette. He couldn't shoot from the outside, he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, and he couldn't go to his right. He averaged 6.7 pts on almost unbelievably bad 32% shooting, and defenses didn't respect him. He had several crises of confidence, leading Shaka to bench him during games numerous times.

To be any good in 2022-23, Marquette needed better PG play, either from Kolek or someone else. To TK's immense credit - and to the credit of the coaches who helped him - he improved a bazillion percent. He shot 40% from 3, was much better going right, developed a float game, and became good around the basket. He was a threat to score, which kept defenses honest and opened up passing lanes for him. As you said, he had a great floor game as well as unique court vision; the fact that teams finally had to respect his ability to score made him an All-American.

Had he not worked so hard and improved so much, three years of soph-level Kolek would have been no bueno. Thankfully, he took care of business and became a star as a junior and senior. Again, a credit to him.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but we have players on this roster who are much worse than Tyler was his first year. When looking at this team, it's time to stop equating 'didn't live up to expectations' with 'doesn't belong on a high major team'.

[MU82]

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but we have players on this roster who are much worse than Tyler was his first year. When looking at this team, it's time to stop equating 'didn't live up to expectations' with 'doesn't belong on a high major team'.

Can't argue with any of that.

I certainly am not one who looks at this team the way you mention in your last sentence.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I was - can't say I watched much omax his freshman year, but I lauded kuath morsell and kolek from day 1. They were incredible pickups that immediately changed the trajectory of our program.

There's a search function - you have yourself a homework assignment if you don't believe me.

You might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

[panda]

You might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

Coward - stand behind your words if you're going to come at me. Go slink back to your corner son

[Small Orange Soda]

You might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

OMax was a top 100 recruit. Oso was as well.

Not accusing you of defending anything, VBMG, but Shaka deserves all the criticism for thinking he could build the center position off of Hamilton and Clark, two zero star recruits. That was indefensible hubris on his part.

[wadesworld]

Initial query - Would a coach with a modern approach to roster building lead us to a 20 loss season this year?

Your illogical response - You're right, no coach who has built their roster with transfers has had bad seasons since NIL and the portal have come around.

It's a challenge to debate with you because of such hyperbolic responses. We're in this position now because Shaka carried deadweight for far too long before cutting bait. That isn't some blessing in disguise. It's a major red flag that I hope is rectified this off season. I would love to be proved wrong but I have every right to be concerned given how Shaka torpedoed this program by his own stubbornness.

And the answer is, of course, nobody knows.  What we do know is you suggest that it's impossible to have a horrendous season by having a "modern approach to roster building," even though every single season there are coaches building rosters with a "modern approach" that have horrendous seasons.

If this was multiple years in the making (see: seasons evaluated by the half season, or the calendar year...at least until it fits your narrative, and then when it doesn't it's absurd to suggest an improvement in the second half of a season...), then the "modern approach to roster building" might not land Nigel or Stevens or sees Parham transfer out.

Did the portal additions scare off our one good returning player or our two stud freshman recruits?  Did they hit like Michigan's are hitting?  Or did they miss like Georgetown's?

[Pakuni]

He was at best only an OK point guard his first season at Marquette. He couldn't shoot from the outside, he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, and he couldn't go to his right. He averaged 6.7 pts on almost unbelievably bad 32% shooting, and defenses didn't respect him. He had several crises of confidence, leading Shaka to bench him during games numerous times.

I'm sorry, 82, but this isn't quite true. Hard to understand calling the guy who led the Big East in assists - and was 9th in the nation - "at best only an OK point guard." Tough crowd, tough crowd.

Yes, his shooting was a disaster his first year - making the calls by some Scoopers to move him off the ball bizarre - but in terms of running an offense, he was pretty much elite from the get-go.

Was he really benched often? His game log tells a different story. From the first game in December on, he played less than 25 minutes only once, while playing 33+ minutes eight times. Overall he was third on the team in minutes, just 0.4 mpg behind Morsell for second. I don't doubt there were times he was struggling and Shaka sat him down, but it doesn't seem like that happened often, or that those "benchings" lasted very long. Some may suggest he was just rested, as was everyone else on team.

[panda]

And the answer is, of course, nobody knows.  What we do know is you suggest that it's impossible to have a horrendous season by having a "modern approach to roster building," even though every single season there are coaches building rosters with a "modern approach" that have horrendous seasons.

If this was multiple years in the making (see: seasons evaluated by the half season, or the calendar year...at least until it fits your narrative, and then when it doesn't it's absurd to suggest an improvement in the second half of a season...), then the "modern approach to roster building" might not land Nigel or Stevens or sees Parham transfer out.

Did the portal additions scare off our one good returning player or our two stud freshman recruits?  Did they hit like Michigan's are hitting?  Or did they miss like Georgetown's?

Can't judge a half season eh. Why was a top 15 team in December a 7 seed come tournament time. What happened?

[Viper]

Yes, the coach who has been to a Final Four and has a 381-202 record in his career, including a 109-60 record at Marquette, doesn't know how to run a team/program.

you clearly are his #1 fan. The past 14 months...train station.

[MuggsyB]

How much will I get paid as the gm? 

[wadesworld]

you clearly are his #1 fan. The past 14 months...train station.

Biggest fan? Yeah, I don't think so. Not sure what train station means but sure.