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#UnleashJosh

I can't wait for the new leader of Iran, who the US killed the father, mother, sister, and wife of to absolutely not hold any grudges at all.

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


rocky_warrior

The beginning of the end.  So it has been told.


rocky_warrior

#281
Quoteif Iran were to attack ships under U.S. protection transiting the Strait of Hormuz — a potential choke point in the global energy trade — American forces would respond aggressively.

Lol, I though we were already "winning decisively, devastatingly, and without mercy".  Hard to believe there's more aggressive tactics.

Iran would love for the US to send warships through the strait!

rocky_warrior

#282
Kudos to Israel for the detailed tracking, hah.  Subs are hard to track.

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/us-forces-middle-east/#map


The Sultan

Imagine going into this thinking that you could do "regime change" only to be strategically outflanked like this. Really great job guys.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/10/iranian-regime-is-not-weakening-in-face-of-us-israel-onslaught-but-becoming-more-defiant

"Iran has spurned two messages from Donald Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, seeking a ceasefire as its leaders sense it is not losing the war and the US president is at the minimum feeling the political pressure.

The foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, has further said a unilateral declaration from Trump that the US had won the war would not bring an end to the conflict. The implication is that even if the US announced a willingness to end its attacks, Iran might be willing to continue the conflict in some form, or keep its chokehold on shipping seeking to navigate the strait of Hormuz.

Iran believes there can be no end to the conflict until it believes Trump has been shown the economic, political and military cost is so high that it is not worth repeating. It is instead insisting on a permanent deal that includes a US commitment not to attack Iran again."
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

forgetful

#285
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2026, 08:31:20 PMImagine going into this thinking that you could do "regime change" only to be strategically outflanked like this. Really great job guys.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/10/iranian-regime-is-not-weakening-in-face-of-us-israel-onslaught-but-becoming-more-defiant

"Iran has spurned two messages from Donald Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, seeking a ceasefire as its leaders sense it is not losing the war and the US president is at the minimum feeling the political pressure.

The foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, has further said a unilateral declaration from Trump that the US had won the war would not bring an end to the conflict. The implication is that even if the US announced a willingness to end its attacks, Iran might be willing to continue the conflict in some form, or keep its chokehold on shipping seeking to navigate the strait of Hormuz.

Iran believes there can be no end to the conflict until it believes Trump has been shown the economic, political and military cost is so high that it is not worth repeating. It is instead insisting on a permanent deal that includes a US commitment not to attack Iran again."

They accepted a cease fine in the 12-day war, just for the US and Israel to rearm, and once again conduct a surprise preemptive strike. Why would they ever agree to a ceasefire without massive international assurances.

They would have been better off continuing the previous war, and actually attacking US interests instead of warning them.

Also, Iran is still shipping oil to China.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-control-of-hormuz-means-its-exporting-more-oil-today-than-before-the-war-ede3cd91


#UnleashJosh

Quote from: forgetful on March 10, 2026, 09:23:39 PMThey accepted a cease fine in the 12-day war, just for the US and Israel to rearm, and once again conduct a surprise preemptive strike. Why would they ever agree to a ceasefire without massive international assurances.

They would have been better off continuing the previous war, and actually attacking US interests instead of warning them.

Also, Iran is still shipping oil to China.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-control-of-hormuz-means-its-exporting-more-oil-today-than-before-the-war-ede3cd91



The parallels to the Ukraine war are quite eye opening eh?

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