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How many should Shaka take/cut

1 (Lowery's void)
2 (Lowery's spot +1)
3 (Lowery's spot +2)
4 (Lowery's spot +3)
5 (Lowery's spot +4)
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MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 02:41:48 PMGood.  I hope they fail wherever they end up

Especially Hamilton. Let's face it, he's pure evil.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 03:03:08 PMI'm sure Shaka can find a likeable walk-on to do all these things.

Yes, and his name might be Caedin Hamilton!

panda

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 02:46:19 PMMy point is that it isn't as easy at going to the store and picking a player from the shelf or a draft.

I've made the point before that of course we all want the best players, but that doesn't mean we get them.

I'm not being pedantic, but it actually will be that easy to improve the Hamilton roster spot. You could probably draw a random d1 player out of a hat and find more talent than him.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on Today at 02:11:11 PMIf Hamilton is back, my question is why?

He will never be good enough to be a meaningful piece here. So why would he be back?

Just to be another big body in case depth is tested? That's fine. But if he's here because they think he can work his way into the rotation then we might have problems.

If he's back it will be because Shaka still thinks he has value. Frankly, he needs to go because Shaka can't be trusted with Caedin on the roster. He will talk himself into Caedin being a useful piece to start the season like he has the past two and the team will suffer for it.

wadesworld

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 03:35:12 PMIf he's back it will be because Shaka still thinks he has value. Frankly, he needs to go because Shaka can't be trusted with Caedin on the roster. He will talk himself into Caedin being a useful piece to start the season like he has the past two and the team will suffer for it.

No he won't.  In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.

We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season.  If Caedin is on the roster, his minutes will all be garbage time.

Pakuni

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 03:10:24 PMYes, and his name might be Caedin Hamilton!

Caedin ain't taking 10,000 hook shots for free.

panda

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 03:45:36 PMNo he won't.  In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.

We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season.  If Caedin is on the roster, his minutes will all be garbage time.



Shaka looking at Caedin before next season starts

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 03:45:36 PMNo he won't.  In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.

We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season.  Whether Caedin is on the roster or not, his minutes will all be garbage time.

The staff leaked to Rothstein that Caedin was gonna be legit before last season. That didn't pan out, so he got stuffed on the bench.

The staff leaked the same thing to Rothstein this year. Shaka started him. Halfway through the year claimed he was the best defensive player on the team then stuffed him on the bench again.

I'd agree with you if Shaka hadn't talked himself into Caedin two years in a row. But he did. Time for him to go. Shaka's evaluation of him is bewildering and needs to be stopped.

wadesworld

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Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 03:51:46 PMThe staff leaked to Rothstein that Caedin was gonna be legit before last season. That didn't pan out, so he got stuffed on the bench.

The staff leaked the same thing to Rothstein this year. Shaka started him. Halfway through the year claimed he was the best defensive player on the team then stuffed him on the bench again.

I'd agree with you if Shaka hadn't talked himself into Caedin two years in a row. But he did. Time for him to go. Shaka's evaluation of him is bewildering and needs to be stopped.

Caedin played 6 mpg as a freshman.  Shaka then started him and played him 19 mpg the first 12 games of the season last year.  The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg.  In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them.  One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).

Seems like Shaka realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes at this level.  If he's around, he won't be playing meaningful minutes next year.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 03:53:27 PMCaedin played 6 mpg as a freshman.  Shaka then started him and played him 19 mpg the first 12 games of the season last year.  The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg.

Seems like Shaka realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes at this level.  If he's around, he won't be playing meaningful minutes next year.

So he realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes his freshman year...but decided he deserved so this year? Those 12 games were pretty important. I don't get why seeing Shaka misevaluate him literally every year since he saw him play in high school isn't a concern.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but again, nobody ever claims Caedin is any good and it's maddening. If he's not any good then he should go! 9 minutes a game is nine too many.

wadesworld

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:00:51 PMSo he realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes his freshman year...but decided he deserved so this year? Those 12 games were pretty important. I don't get why seeing Shaka misevaluate him literally every year since he saw him play in high school isn't a concern.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but again, nobody ever claims Caedin is any good and it's maddening. If he's not any good then he should go! 9 minutes a game is nine too many.

And that's 9 minutes per game where our only two bigs were Royce and Ben.  Next year we'll have Royce, Sheek, and a transfer in front of him.  He will not be playing any meaningful minutes.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 04:02:03 PMAnd that's 9 minutes per game where our only two bigs were Royce and Ben.  Next year we'll have Royce, Sheek, and a transfer in front of him.  He will not be playing any meaningful minutes.

Speculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:03:52 PMSpeculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?

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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:03:52 PMSpeculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?

15 guys cannot play meaningful minutes on a basketball team.  If you're playing that many your team is utter trash anyway.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 04:13:01 PM15 guys cannot play meaningful minutes on a basketball team.  If you're playing that many your team is utter trash anyway.

So use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:14:15 PMSo use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.

A lot of things sound easier than they are.  Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes.  IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.

wadesworld

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:14:15 PMSo use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.

The guys you are whining about carrying are who you want to use scholarships on?

panda

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 04:15:45 PMA lot of things sound easier than they are.  Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes.  IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.

We know what Hamilton can offer/not offer. Back end roster players should be projects for the future not good luck charms. His spot needs to be vacated for a player who can help this team improve next season.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 04:15:45 PMA lot of things sound easier than they are.  Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes.  IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.

Okay, I'd be fine with that. But Caedin needs to go because Shaka has a serious blind spot when it comes to him. He's barely a D-1 recruit, probably not a D-1 bench player, and definitely not a D-1 starter. But Shaka has talked himself into all of those at a high major school.

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 04:17:39 PMThe guys you are whining about carrying are who you want to use scholarships on?

What? They should use the scholarships on guys who can maybe contribute in the future. Do you think Caedin is one of those? Because your defense of him is that it's okay he's on the team cause he won't play.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: panda on Today at 04:18:17 PMWe know what Hamilton can offer/not offer. Back end roster players should be projects for the future not good luck charms. His spot needs to be vacated for a player who can help this team improve next season.

I am absolutely fine with those 3 guys being high effort, character, culture guys and never seeing the floor.

Project players almost never work out anyway, and are more likely to simply transfer down in competition.

panda

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 04:22:21 PMI am absolutely fine with those 3 guys being high effort, character, culture guys and never seeing the floor.

Project players almost never work out anyway, and are more likely to simply transfer down in competition.

Project player are fine for roster spots 14/15 etc. Why are we keeping a failed project player? Cut bait and find another one.

Jay Bee

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 02:40:31 PMBigs command the most money in the Portal

source?
The portal is NOT closed.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:19:48 PMOkay, I'd be fine with that. But Caedin needs to go because Shaka has a serious blind spot when it comes to him. He's barely a D-1 recruit, probably not a D-1 bench player, and definitely not a D-1 starter. But Shaka has talked himself into all of those at a high major school.

Except Wades repeatedly showed you that blind spot did not exist in the last 2/3 of the season and you refuse to accept it.

Jay Bee

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 03:45:36 PMNo he won't.  In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.

I wish that were true, but he often remained a normal piece of the rotation early on in games, getting normal first 10 minutes, regardless of any fouls by others. The staff made crazy effin choices with him in the second half of the season, just not as wild as the first half.
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