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How many should Shaka take/cut

1 (Lowery's void)
2 (Lowery's spot +1)
3 (Lowery's spot +2)
4 (Lowery's spot +3)
5 (Lowery's spot +4)
=>6 (Overhaulshima)

onepost

Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 05:06:53 PMI've never seen a fan base so content with talent returning from a terrible team.

This is so foolish it has to be a troll

panda

Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 06:16:09 PMThis is so foolish it has to be a troll

How many BE teams would Steven's start on next year? Again we can revisit these conversations after rosters are established but I'm not sure it would even be half of the league.

Jay Bee

Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 06:56:02 PMHow many BE teams would Steven's start on next year? Again we can revisit these conversations after rosters are established but I'm not sure it would even be half of the league.

*Stevens
The portal is NOT closed.


rccola42

Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 04:05:53 PMWe shall see. Would love to eat crow.

We have 1 awesome starter returning. A decent sophomore and a decent junior.

1 high ceiling junior who hasn't come remotely close to his potential and a sophomore who probably would be best red shirting next season.

I'm not being negative but I think there's a lot of blue and gold goggles evaluating returning talent for next season.
I actually don't disagree with your assessment of the returners, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think other tournament caliber teams have. Sure, the Dukes of the world will have multiple excellent, NBA level players. But I could name a number of tournament/top 25 level teams that have "1 awesome player" and a couple of decent returners as you described.

Seems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.

Jay Bee

Quote from: rccola42 on April 02, 2026, 07:22:38 PMSeems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.

Agreed. In addition, our losses from this year who puts in minutes this past year (e.g., Sean, Tre, Zaide and yes.. Chase and Ben) had some serious issues that will result in 'easy' comps for next season's team. Finding people to shoot at least a bit better than Chase and Ben from three isn't some wild thing.. in fact, would be difficult to find people who you would project to be worse.
The portal is NOT closed.

panda

Quote from: rccola42 on April 02, 2026, 07:22:38 PMI actually don't disagree with your assessment of the returners, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think other tournament caliber teams have. Sure, the Dukes of the world will have multiple excellent, NBA level players. But I could name a number of tournament/top 25 level teams that have "1 awesome player" and a couple of decent returners as you described.

Seems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.

Most recently - I think of the '24-'25 team which as things stand, had a far more talented core than what we have now. The team completely ran out of gas after a phenomenal start. Terrible roster construction and no depth were contributing factors to a top team dropping to a 7 seed. The core of this team is nowhere near that experience or talent level of those juniors and seniors.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 07:29:52 PMMost recently - I think of the '24-'25 team which as things stand, had a far more talented core than what we have now. The team completely ran out of gas after a phenomenal start. Terrible roster construction and no depth were contributing factors to a top team dropping to a 7 seed. The core of this team is nowhere near that experience or talent level of those juniors and seniors.

I'd absolutely disagree regarding talent level.

Royce has a higher ceiling than Jop. Adrien has a higher ceiling than Stevie, IMO. We all see how talented Nigel is.

The question is will they put it all together and when.

BCHoopster

Finding a talented player like Oso is the hard part!

Tha Hound

Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 06:07:22 PMLast 10 games of the regular season, Stevens averaged 12.1 ppg on 49% shooting (46% from 3), and 2.4 steals.

Can we find - and pay for - a transfer who would be able to eclipse that, thereby pushing Adrien to the bench? I suppose ... and I'd be pretty happy to land a guy that good. But given our needs, I have my doubts we'll bring in a guy to supplant him.

Well, it seems like some on this board are convinced Minessale is coming here. Although he's played in a lesser conference, hes been better than Adrien both years. Who knows how that translates to big east play, but the numbers don't lie.

I'd love to have both.


Tha Hound

Quote from: Tha Hound on April 02, 2026, 03:15:56 PMThis is the kind of two-way player that could really help us. Maybe my favorite option yet outside of Somto. Neither seem particularly likely given they'd both start on 99% of D1 teams, but man that would be a statement of intent.

I'd like to amend my highly unlikely dream 5 list to include this guy in the first spot.

https://x.com/joetipton/status/2039873578561061221?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg

mug644

Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2026, 05:43:50 PMI believe that Adrien showed enough last year that they are comfortable with him as the starter. It would probably cost a lot to get someone better in the portal........

Certainly I could be wrong but I will be surprised if Stevens isn't a starter next season.

Next few weeks will be interesting.

Ps if you look at Stevens freshman year and compare it to Kam's on sites like Torvik and Miya......it looks slightly better ......and no I'm not projecting AS to have that kind of career......just think he looks like a guy that will keep getting better.

Unless he doesn't and if so I'm sure someone will remind me.....😎

I think this statement pretty much explains why Stevens is likely to start next year. With limited resources and crucial needs in terms of a quality big and then point guard depth, I hope Shaka won't spend the money to 'over recruit' Adrien.

If Minessale is to come, my guess is that he won't be as high price as others in the portal, and he will be seen as versatile contributor, not a guaranteed starter.

MU82

Quote from: Tha Hound on April 02, 2026, 08:31:08 PMWell, it seems like some on this board are convinced Minessale is coming here. Although he's played in a lesser conference, hes been better than Adrien both years. Who knows how that translates to big east play, but the numbers don't lie.

I'd love to have both.

Yes to all of that.

Who knows how playing at St. Thomas translates into playing in the Big East (even if the Tommies are honorary BE members)?

And I'd be happy with both.
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The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 06:07:22 PMLast 10 games of the regular season, Stevens averaged 12.1 ppg on 49% shooting (46% from 3), and 2.4 steals.

Can we find - and pay for - a transfer who would be able to eclipse that, thereby pushing Adrien to the bench? I suppose ... and I'd be pretty happy to land a guy that good. But given our needs, I have my doubts we'll bring in a guy to supplant him.

Putting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.
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MU82

Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 09:14:34 PMPutting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.

I don't disagree with that.

But I do think it's notable that he didn't even become starter until the 10th game, and then I'm guessing there was an acclimation period as his minutes and usage gradually increased.

For a larger sample size ...

Over his last 17 games - starting with his first 30-minute outing - he averaged 10 ppg on 46% shooting (41% from 3), and 1.8 steals. Still pretty good for a freshman who played progressively better as the season went on IMHO.

Again, I know for certain that there will be better guards in the portal. I'm less certain that Shaka will choose to afford one of those when he's assessing how he wants to divvy up the $$$ pie.
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BCHoopster

I do not know who will be better, Stevens or Minnesale, let them play it out.  You need 3 good guards, MU had zero depth last year, bench sucked.  Not even sure he is coming to MU or not.  April is going to be fun

muwarrior69

Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 09:14:34 PMPutting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.
We actually agree on this.

Wade-A-Minute

Stevens is a way better 3-pt shooter. Minessale is a career 30% pt shooter is a low level mid-major league. Everyone bitched about Chase and Ben this past season from 3. NS is not much better.

Tha Hound

Quote from: Wade-A-Minute on April 03, 2026, 12:55:41 PMStevens is a way better 3-pt shooter. Minessale is a career 30% pt shooter is a low level mid-major league. Everyone bitched about Chase and Ben this past season from 3. NS is not much better.

If we're judging basketball players by 3pt% alone, we've got bigger problems.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: Tha Hound on April 03, 2026, 01:07:26 PMIf we're judging basketball players by 3pt% alone, we've got bigger problems.

Pretty sure everyone did that for Ben
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MuMark

#1120
Not sure why we would be comparing Minessale to Ben.......

Ben took almost twice as many 3s as he did 2s.....rarely got to the free throw line and was a low usage player

Minessale took twice as many 2s as 3s.....got to the free throw line a lot.....and was a high usage guy.

One was 4/5 the other is a guard/wing

Certainly the question will be how does his game translate to a higher level but that is the case with lots of transfers.

BCHoopster

If you average around 20 a game and do not hit a bunch of threes, you must know how to get to the rim or have a midrange game.  I have only seen at a gym once, my thought at that time was, why did MU not over him a scholarship. I was impressed with his hops and physically built body.

BCHoopster


Pakuni

Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 03, 2026, 01:59:52 PMPretty sure everyone did that for Ben

I don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.

BM1090

Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 04:46:07 PMI don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.

He had no post game, so it was threes and drives. He was a good driver this year. But he didn't make any threes, so it was tougher to drive.

Whether they should have worked on his post game is another discussion.

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