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Hards Alumni

#250
March 20, 2026, 08:37:40 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:29:27 AMIs it? I have no idea. He seems to have the typical mid-major resume, which fails as often as it succeeds.

Built each of the programs he has been to into competitors before bolting for a better job and repeating.  He's fairly young at 51.

Georgia Tech has been pretty stinky as a program for a long time now.  Seems like a good hire for them.  He'll probably dip when a Texas school opens up if he does well at Georgia Tech.

The Sultan

#251
March 20, 2026, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2026, 08:37:40 AMBuilt each of the programs he has been to into competitors before bolting for a better job and repeating.  He's fairly young at 51.

Georgia Tech has been pretty stinky as a program for a long time now.  Seems like a good hire for them.  He'll probably dip when a Texas school opens up if he does well at Georgia Tech.

??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.

Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Tarragona

#252
March 20, 2026, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:43:44 AM??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.

Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.

This is less about Cross and more about evaluation.

Are you saying not making the NCAA Tourney is a failure in the Southland conference? Or insert the other two conferences they switched to as well?

I will respectfully disagree. It's much more difficult to make the NCAA tourney in the other conferences. Turning around programs, winning a league, consistently finishing in the top few of a league etc matter more than counting NCAA Tourneys in those leagues. Full season's work vs a few day tourney.

Billy Hoyle

#253
March 20, 2026, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 08:32:46 AMNo surprise, but there is speculation as to whether UNC will thank Hubert Davis for his service and wish him well in his future ventures. With UNC's history and program, I think there is a good chance that UNC will decide after that yesterday's meltdown, they need a new coach.

Absolutely. Kind of like Butler, they need to decide if family is of paramount importance. Excellent article right here:

https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2034826678451540349
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Hards Alumni

#254
March 20, 2026, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:43:44 AM??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.

Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.

Georgia Tech is not a great job.  He took Troy to the tournament the last two years.  Seems like a better gamble than a 15 year assistant coach from Duke.  8-)

Hards Alumni

#255
March 20, 2026, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 09:00:22 AMAbsolutely. Kind of like Butler, they need to decide if family is of paramount importance. Excellent article right here:

https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2034826678451540349

Boy, it's going to be entertaining to see UNC go the direction that Indiana has.

WhiteTrash

#256
March 20, 2026, 09:25:14 AM
I think Billy Donovan would be an excellent hire for UNC. Plus there are millions of Chicagoans who would help him pack to save him a few bucks.  Win - Win.

The Sultan

#257
March 20, 2026, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2026, 09:14:36 AMBoy, it's going to be entertaining to see UNC go the direction that Indiana has.

UNC should not have been in the tournament last year too.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

#258
March 20, 2026, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Tarragona on March 20, 2026, 08:52:32 AMThis is less about Cross and more about evaluation.

Are you saying not making the NCAA Tourney is a failure in the Southland conference? Or insert the other two conferences they switched to as well?

I will respectfully disagree. It's much more difficult to make the NCAA tourney in the other conferences. Turning around programs, winning a league, consistently finishing in the top few of a league etc matter more than counting NCAA Tourneys in those leagues. Full season's work vs a few day tourney.


Where did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?

I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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#259
March 20, 2026, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 08:32:46 AMNo surprise, but there is speculation as to whether UNC will thank Hubert Davis for his service and wish him well in his future ventures. With UNC's history and program, I think there is a good chance that UNC will decide after that yesterday's meltdown, they need a new coach.
Seems like a no brainer to me.

Tarragona

#260
March 20, 2026, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 10:06:58 AMWhere did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?

I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.

Fair enough.

You can say the same for other types of hires too. Tommy Lloyd has been successful at Arizona when many others haven't been while on that path. It's always about the specific individual situation and fit, less so than type of hire.

Russell Turner for example is obviously a very good HC at UC Irvine. 11 of 12 seasons in the top 2 in the Big West, but he doesn't often win the few game tourney. Or Olen when he was at UCSD going from D2 to D1.

We'll see.

GoldenEagles03

#261
March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PM
Who are some candidates for UNC if it opens?
VIOLENCE!

Billy Hoyle

#262
March 20, 2026, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PMWho are some candidates for UNC if it opens?

Phil Jackson if they want to follow what they did in football
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Scoop Snoop

#263
March 20, 2026, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 04:23:53 PMPhil Jackson if they want to follow what they did in football

Jordan could do it.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

Billy Hoyle

#264
March 20, 2026, 04:31:33 PM
Villanova soon to be looking for some new assistants

https://x.com/i/status/2035094943505813854
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Scoop Snoop

#265
March 20, 2026, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 04:31:33 PMVillanova soon to be looking for some new assistants


I wonder who hired those assistants.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

Pakuni

#266
March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PMWho are some candidates for UNC if it opens?

A little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.

GoldenEagles03

#267
March 20, 2026, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.

Hopefully they have a second choice prepared!
VIOLENCE!

WhiteTrash

#268
March 20, 2026, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Scoop Snoop

#269
March 20, 2026, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.

See? Elon was right! He said that a P4 school would take Shaka in a heartbeat, knowing that this was just one bad season.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

cheebs09

#270
March 20, 2026, 08:46:54 PM
Wojo to UNC

JWags85

#271
March 20, 2026, 08:52:04 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 10:06:58 AMWhere did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?

I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.

It's a tricky evaluation.  While a bit unfair, I always mentally have a bit of a bias against hires from a mid major who never had any real experience at major conference program as an assistant (he spent his entire career (player and assistant) at low major UTA before Troy save for his stint at TCU which was literally only 10 months long. And he did good work at Troy, but had only 1 decent OOC win in 2 years (SDSU), which was followed nearly immediately by losing at home to might West Georgia, and lost the two NCAA games by an average of 24 points.

But on the other hand, while results weren't flashy, he did a sneaky incredible job at UTA, which was a truly garbage job.  Before they hired him, in 40 years as a D1 program, they never made the NCAA tournament and made a single NIT appearance 20 years prior.  The previous head coach had been their 15 years and was 15 games under .500 in conference, even worse overall. In those 40 years, UTA won 20 games twice.  Cross won 20+ games 6 times, made their first NCAA and multiple NITs. Their dumbass AD fired him after another 21 win season cause they "needed change" and they've been terrible again ever since.  And the AD was encouraged to retire 4 years later.

So while it's still an unknown, he seems like he could maybe be the right kind of hire for a program like GT that has been a coaching graveyard since that random NCAA run to the final in 2004

Mu8891

#272
March 21, 2026, 07:20:46 AM
Shaka to UNC ? lolllll ...

Right.  They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season.  Sure.

wadesworld

#273
March 21, 2026, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2026, 07:20:46 AMShaka to UNC ? lolllll ...

Right.  They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season.  Sure.



If making a Final Four is virtually no NCAA Tournament success you nailed it.

cheebs09

#274
March 21, 2026, 08:56:12 AM
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2026, 07:20:46 AMShaka to UNC ? lolllll ...

Right.  They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season.  Sure.



More of a resume than the last guy they hired.
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