Big East job rankings

[Pakuni]

As for MU being a good job - yes, it is a good job.  I never said it wasn't.  I've said MU needs Shaka more than Shaka needs MU.

Yes, and you're wrong. We've already been over this.
Anyhow, Shaka's probably gone next year to Kentucky. He'll be their first call, or so I've been told.

And yes, if Shaka has another year like this one, he should be fired. How much does the program need to bottom out before you let go of the guy who got you there?

[MarquetteMike1977]

That's a pretty wild hot take, Xavier was more successful for longer than either of those two and farther east. They were the only one that was a shoe in.

Agree Xavier has appeared in the NCAA tournament 30 times, 16 times in the 18 tournaments between 2001 and 2018 3 Elite 8's in that Span. Xavier also has 2 NIT titles the last in 2022. With NCAA appearances Sweet 16 in 2023 and made the Big Dance in 2025.

[Jay Bee]

They also did a fanbase ranking and we came in last (pawz)

[MU82]

Marquette's a real good job and we will be able to find an outstanding coach whenever Shaka's time here is over.

"But who would we be able to get?" was a terrible reason to keep Wojo, and it would be a terrible reason to keep Shaka if he proves not to be up for the job.

[wadesworld]

They also did a fanbase ranking and we came in last (pawz)

Eh.  Our fanbase sucks but we're in a conference with Providence, Creighton, St. John's, Seton Hall, and UCONN.  I'd rank them in that order (worst to first), with Marquette coming next.  Not sure Georgetown or DePaul have fanbases, so don't know how to rank those two.

[tower912]

Worst by what standards?  I need to know before I decide to agree or be offended.

[onepost]

Eh.  Our fanbase sucks but we're in a conference with Providence, Creighton, St. John's, Seton Hall, and UCONN.  I'd rank them in that worder (worst to first), with Marquette coming next.  Not sure Georgetown or DePaul have fanbases, so don't know how to rank those two.

Agree wholeheartedly with this list, wades.
Providence is in a different stratosphere than everyone else, but Creighton is lowkey an insufferable bunch. And boy do I know insufferable.

[Billy Hoyle]

Turns out it hard to run with the big boys.  They have a small school (2nd smallest behind legacy Providence), old facilities, and it isn't even a nationally ranked school.

If you want my other hot take, Xavier probably shouldn't have been invited either for the exact same reasons (though it is ranked... but not highly).

At the end of the day, I know why those schools were invited (media market, recent success, coaches).  Creighton is a much better fit than either of them.

Say what you want about SLU and Dayton, but they're better fits in every way long term... even though they're both gross.

They're the #1 ranked school among MW regional non-doctoral universities. That's pretty good. PC is #2 in their NE region.

Nationally, SJU is 151, Seton Hall is 153, and X is 205 (after recently moving up from a top-ranked regional university). X is hurt by the lack of professional schools, but it will soon have a College of Osteopathic Medicine. But I'll take X for athletics over some private schools in the BE footprint that are ranked higher, such as Detroit Mercy, Valpo, and St. Thomas, since we're an ATHLETIC conference.

BTW, Dayton is 143 (or #1 nationally above Yale, Princeton, and Harvard, per Fieldhouse Flyer),

[Billy Hoyle]

They also did a fanbase ranking and we came in last (pawz)

I need to see a link to that. Who did they ask? SLU and Dayton fans?

[Hards Alumni]

They're the #1 ranked school among MW regional non-doctoral universities. That's pretty good. PC is #2 in their NE region.

Nationally, SJU is 151, Seton Hall is 153, and X is 205 (after recently moving up from a top-ranked regional university). X is hurt by the lack of professional schools, but it will soon have a College of Osteopathic Medicine. But I'll take X for athletics over some private schools in the BE footprint that are ranked higher, such as Detroit Mercy, Valpo, and St. Thomas, since we're an ATHLETIC conference.

BTW, Dayton is 143 (or #1 nationally above Yale, Princeton, and Harvard, per Fieldhouse Flyer),

Yep, they're a regional school.  Not even nationally ranked.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I have no doubt Marquette is a great opportunity and can find another good coach if Shaka decides to leave or is fired. 

We could also very well end up with another Wojo and 7 years comprised mostly of mediocrity.

The main reason I want Shaka to turn this around is because he's given many indications he'd stay long-term. 

Otherwise, we'll be back to being a stepping stone job that a successful coach will leave after 5-6 years. 

[Jay Bee]

I need to see a link to that. Who did they ask? SLU and Dayton fans?

I AM THE SOURCE!... and I was just kidding. We tha best! Or at least pretty high up there.

[swoopem]

I have no doubt Marquette is a great opportunity and can find another good coach if Shaka decides to leave or is fired. 

We could also very well end up with another Wojo and 7 years comprised mostly of mediocrity.

The main reason I want Shaka to turn this around is because he's given many indications he'd stay long-term. 

Otherwise, we'll be back to being a stepping stone job that a successful coach will leave after 5-6 years. 

I agree, going into this season I got the impression that Shaka was a lifer. That's why I'm a big Shaka guy and I'm rooting for him.

But if he runs this team back without any additional transfers. His seat should be scorching going into next year

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I agree, going into this season I got the impression that Shaka was a lifer. That's why I'm a big Shaka guy and I'm rooting for him.

But if he runs this team back without any additional transfers. His seat should be scorching going into next year

Yeah, that's totally fair.  Ultimately, he has to win and it's unlikely to expect that to happen next season unless he adds at least two high-quality transfers. 

[brewcity77]

Eh.  Our fanbase sucks but we're in a conference with Providence, Creighton, St. John's, Seton Hall, and UCONN.  I'd rank them in that order (worst to first), with Marquette coming next.  Not sure Georgetown or DePaul have fanbases, so don't know how to rank those two.

St. John's doesn't belong there. Their fans are fairweather AF, they were loud last year but this year are talking more about Tyler Kolek than anyone on their own team. Other than these last two years, their fanbase basically didn't exist.

PC, Creighton, and UConn have great fanbases. Don't know that Providence's have the best understanding of the modern game, but they are certainly vocal. X & Butler both have good fanbases, but probably smaller than the others you list.

[Galway Eagle]

And yet, their coach always left.  For a long time Xavier was beating up on A10 schools.  They had great success in the tournament, but a lot of coaching turn over has always been their problem.  Probably a good reason for that.

From an A10 school to head to Arizona, Ohio State, Providence, & Wake Forest. I mean that's not different than Tennessee, Indiana & Virginia Tech which was 75% of our last 4 coaches when the new league formed.

[MarquetteMike1977]

I AM THE SOURCE!... and I was just kidding. We tha best! Or at least pretty high up there.

Agree. Believe I read somewhere Marquette is the only non football school with attendance in the Top 25 like the last 25 years in a row. Believe Marquette's Attendance was top Ten last year. We are the Best or close too!

[brewcity77]

Agree. Believe I read somewhere Marquette is the only non football school with attendance in the Top 25 like the last 25 years in a row. Believe Marquette's Attendance was top Ten last year. We are the Best or close too!

It'll be interesting to see if they keep this up. The STH numbers were still pretty good, but I'm guessing mini-plans were down and the single-game and promotional have been low. STH might be enough to carry us to top-25 in sales. Good thing they don't count butts in seats.

[Hards Alumni]

From an A10 school to head to Arizona, Ohio State, Providence, & Wake Forest. I mean that's not different than Tennessee, Indiana & Virginia Tech which was 75% of our last 4 coaches when the new league formed.

I would not count Va Tech as them stealing Buzz since that was not the case at all.

Also, the school finances are not at all comparable.

[WhiteTrash]

Agree. Believe I read somewhere Marquette is the only non football school with attendance in the Top 25 like the last 25 years in a row. Believe Marquette's Attendance was top Ten last year. We are the Best or close too!

MU does have great fans and our attendance proves that.

Not sure about the rest of the BE, but I think Creighton has been in the Top 25 for a long time too, often higher than MU. (even with all the other options in Omaha  )

[Viper]

Considering the overall athletic success Creighton has achieved, and not just in Men's hoops (5 BET finals appearances, two sweet 16 appearances, and one weak foul call from a Final Four), they were the right choice.

when  McDermott has em all on the planta...er, same page, they've been good, no doubt

[Viper]

I have no doubt Marquette is a great opportunity and can find another good coach if Shaka decides to leave or is fired. 

We could also very well end up with another Wojo and 7 years comprised mostly of mediocrity.

The main reason I want Shaka to turn this around is because he's given many indications he'd stay long-term. 

Otherwise, we'll be back to being a stepping stone job that a successful coach will leave after 5-6 years. 

you take hot steamers on MU hoops a lot. Question. when has MU been a stepping stone school? Crean, but wasn't he here 8 seasons? Majerus encouraged to go to the Bucks. Piano Man canned. KO only bailed because he apparently got a shiit contract offer. Deane? fired. Buzz? He downgraded himself in a tantrum. Woj? Smoked. Where's the stepping stone aspect to MU coaches that I'm missing?

[Jay Bee]

% of capacity or stfu (kindly)

[We R Final Four]

It'll be interesting to see if they keep this up. The STH numbers were still pretty good, but I'm guessing mini-plans were down and the single-game and promotional have been low. STH might be enough to carry us to top-25 in sales. Good thing they don't count butts in

It'll be interesting to see if they keep this up. The STH numbers were still pretty good, but I'm guessing mini-plans were down and the single-game and promotional have been low. STH might be enough to carry us to top-25 in sales. Good thing they don't count butts in seats.

I've been to every home game this year, and have actually been very surprised by the turnout.

[Heisenberg]

If I were a Georgetown fan, these results would worry me.

This program is losing its cache.