The Altercation

[brewcity77]

Wrong.  You're assuming it would have "blown over".  You're assuming it wouldn't have spread further, yet you had dumbasses here repeating it as fact.  People here have quoted that account multiple times thinking it was an actual source because they don't take the time to look into it. 

If you don't think that could have spread further or continued to impact Zaide adversely with it being ignored I don't know what to tell you other than you're wrong.

Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now.  Criticizing the execution is fair.  Ignoring wouldn't have been the right move.

WSB throws stuff like this at the wall all the time and nothing comes of it. I know it would've blown over because time and time again it's blown over, even when it was mentioned on the hallowed halls of Scoop. This was a nothing burger that Marquette turned into a s**t sandwich.

[Markusquette]

Oh, well I totally agree it's trivial and unimportant!

Well, Zaide leaving is the important part.  But even if he needed to go, the question of how/why now is interesting.

So it's neither trivial nor unimportant. We've amassed 20+ pages on this issue alone and the same people vehemently defending the program's supposedly competent PR team are the ones saying "who cares" and it will blow over in 24 hours, etc.

[Jay Bee]

Cannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed

[rocky_warrior]

So it's neither trivial nor unimportant. We've amassed 20+ pages on this issue alone and the same people vehemently defending the program's supposedly competent PR team are the ones saying "who cares" and it will blow over in 24 hours, etc.

Hah, pages on scoop aren't an indication of importance.  We have about 500 pages on a post someone would have preferred to delete (NM).

Frankly, most things discussed here are unimportant, but it's good for business 

[Markusquette]

Hah, pages on scoop aren't an indication of importance.  We have about 500 pages on a post someone would have preferred to delete (NM).

Frankly, most things discussed here are unimportant, but it's good for business 

Well of course, but we're a very small community and relatively speaking it's important. The fact is that a player is gone from the program, possibly dismissed for "the" altercation and it's sadly the most interesting thing to happen this season other than being a terrible team. Opens the door for a possible transfer at the very least. Far from trivial in terms of MUBB chatter.

[rocky_warrior]

Cannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed

I would expect the lawsuit to demand his NIL $ for Jan-Mar.  But all sorts of crazy in the world.

[MU82]

Neither question would be/will be asked that way.

There obviously is no way to know what question would have been asked had Marquette not responded to the twit at all. But I'd be curious to hear your prediction of what question(s) Ben will ask tomorrow regarding the Lowery situation.

[NCMUFan]

More dramatics on the current season drama.

[NCMUFan]

We already struck "V" from RGV.  Now maybe we also strike the "R".

[Pakuni]

There obviously is no way to know what question would have been asked had Marquette not responded to the twit at all. But I'd be curious to hear your prediction of what question(s) Ben will ask tomorrow regarding the Lowery situation.

I'd guess something like "Can you discuss the reasons for Zaide's departure and reports that there may have been an altercation etween him and a member of the coaching staff?"

I don't think Ben is going to go Perry Mason on Shaka because of a tweet.
"Isn't it true, Mr. Smart, that there was a fight between Mr. Lowery and a member of your entourage? Why, if it did not occur, did an official Marquette basketball social media account make reference to an 'altercation'?"

[MU82]

I'd guess something like "Can you discuss the reasons for Zaide's departure and reports that there may have been an altercation etween him and a member of the coaching staff?"

I don't think Ben is going to go Perry Mason on Shaka because of a tweet.
"Isn't it true, Mr. Smart, that there was a fight between Mr. Lowery and a member of your entourage? Why, if it did not occur, did an official Marquette basketball social media account make reference to an 'altercation'?"

Agree on all of the above.

I actually might be looking forward to the postgame presser more than I am to watching the game. That, in itself, is another thing that sucks about this season!

[Markusquette]

Shaka did say he wasn't leaving, so maybe he wasn't lying if he was dismissed instead 

[wadesworld]

WSB throws stuff like this at the wall all the time and nothing comes of it. I know it would've blown over because time and time again it's blown over, even when it was mentioned on the hallowed halls of Scoop. This was a nothing burger that Marquette turned into a s**t sandwich.

It's a nothingburger that will continue to be a nothingburger.

National media were all over stories of Todd Golden sending dick pics and stalking Florida University students.  That lasted like 3 days, Florida said there's nothing to see here, and Todd Golden coached a team to a national title a couple of months later.

Auburn had to divert their flight because of a fist fight between players mid air.  The story was talked about on one episode of everyone's podcast and then nobody cared.

But I'm sure Marquette's response on Twitter to "an altercation" is going to...keep some Big East Twitter account engaged for all of like 12 more hours?  THE HORROR!

People are so dramatic.  Sports stories move fast.  This one isn't even a blip on the radar.

[wadesworld]

Cannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed

Oh no.  Not an athlete being ruled eligible that wouldn't have in the past!  The NCAA would never!

[mileskishnish72]

Shaka should have sent Zaide and Cody to "time out" so they could work out their differences and foster their relationship.

But I forgot, Shaka doesn't use time-outs.

[MuggsyB]

Shaka should have sent Zaide and Cody to "time out" so they could work out their differences and foster their relationship.

But I forgot, Shaka doesn't use time-outs.

 

[21Jumpstreet]

It's a nothingburger that will continue to be a nothingburger.

National media were all over stories of Todd Golden sending dick pics and stalking Florida University students.  That lasted like 3 days, Florida said there's nothing to see here, and Todd Golden coached a team to a national title a couple of months later.

Auburn had to divert their flight because of a fist fight between players mid air.  The story was talked about on one episode of everyone's podcast and then nobody cared.

But I'm sure Marquette's response on Twitter to "an altercation" is going to...keep some Big East Twitter account engaged for all of like 12 more hours?  THE HORROR!

People are so dramatic.  Sports stories move fast.  This one isn't even a blip on the radar.

I think this is probably true, but MU and Shaka have positioned themselves as a very unique (and failing) brand and model of program development. They are in the news all the time because of it. So, this has the potential to be talked about a bit more and harm Shaka and MU more than a random guy leaving a random team mid year.

And, is WSB no longer a troll, seems to have hit on something rather specific here. Perhaps he knows more than meets the eye...sort of like the Transformers.

Pretty disappointed in Shaka, MU, and Zaide, but I give Zaide more leeway and grace than the other two. I liked Zaide, being an athlete is tough, losing is tough, not playing is tough. He gave his all for 2+ years. I fear this is the first domino...as it were.

[tower912]

Why fear?   The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal. 
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped.   Etc.

Why the fear?  This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for.  A player perceived as underperforming to leave.  Why fear more leaving?  It is what the cognoscenti want.  They should be euphoric.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I see a lot of people are hot and bothered today. 

Personally I am going to wait for  a "smoke and mirrors" tweet from the Marquette Mom's account before I jump out my window.

[cheebs09]

I see a lot of people are hot and bothered today. 

Personally I am going to wait for  a "smoke and mirrors" tweet from the Marquette Mom's account before I jump out my window.

Jabs and haymakers.

[Pakuni]

Why fear?   The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal. 
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped.   Etc.

Why the fear?  This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for.  A player perceived as underperforming to leave.  Why fear more leaving?  It is what the cognoscenti want.  They should be euphoric.

I'm not sad. Zaide was overrated by many here on the basis of his Ryan Amoroso moment during a game in which MU was getting crushed by a mediocre team.
That one game accounted for almost 20% of his scoring output last year. Take away that game, and you've got a guy who averaged 4.2 ppg last year while shooting 42% from the floor and 31% from three. Meh. Hardly the kind of output that's hard to replace.

[panda]

Why wouldn't Ben ask about physical altercation rumors if MU never tweeted?

Because it came from a troll/twitter egg account...

MU account acknowledging it gives credence to the low level rumor.

[panda]

Why fear?   The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal. 
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped.   Etc.

Why the fear?  This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for.  A player perceived as underperforming to leave.  Why fear more leaving?  It is what the cognoscenti want.  They should be euphoric.

Who is disappointed with Zaide leaving? It was very clear he was gone when he didn't travel to Nebraska. The dialogue is centered around the non-sense following the announcement. 

[WhiteTrash]

Who is disappointed with Zaide leaving? It was very clear he was gone when he didn't travel to Nebraska. The dialogue is centered around the non-sense following the announcement. 

I agree this would not be a big deal, if MU was 8-5, not 5-8 with 4 20+ point losses. Players move on and leave programs all the time. The state of the program leads to all sorts of questions being asked, and some/most are not worth the energy. I am as guilty as anyone, as I have convinced myself that there is some big unknown off the court issue. 

[Jockey]

Why fear?   The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal. 
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped.   Etc.

Why the fear?  This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for.  A player perceived as underperforming to leave.  Why fear more leaving?  It is what the cognoscenti want.  They should be euphoric.

Mountain out of a mole hill.

This will have little to no effect on the team - this year or next. A senior class with Zaide, Tre, and Sean does not move the needle. This program will go as far as the freshmen classes (this year and next) plus portal players (if we don't go after a big or two this year we are lost and none of this will matter anyway) will take us.

Right now, I think next year will be the one to rebuild the program. Many of us thought this year's team could hold down the fort, but it didn't happen. Just makes the hill a bit higher next year.