Zaide Didn’t Travel With Team

[MurphysTillClose]

Wasn't Cody Hatt the one that pushed Shaka to take Kolek when Shaka said he wasn't a fit? Was he also the one that wasn't sold on Zaide when Shaka wanted him as a top priority?

Yup.

[wadesworld]

He didn't have to. As I said a few mins ago, if Shaka knew when asked, rather than a quick and authoritative "No," he should have briefly responded with coachspeak. He and coaches everywhere do it all the time. Lying was unnecessary.

People would just say he's a liar then too. Or they'd correctly assume that by not denying it was saying everything they needed to know. The only "true" answer was "No, not until the end of the semester."

[Pakuni]

Shaka was not going to tell the media Zaide was being kicked off the team prior to the official release of him. And they probably weren't going to do that until the end of the semester.

If Shaka was kicking him off the team -or even contemplating it - and then publicly stated he wouldn't be leaving, that makes him a liar. But I doubt that's the case. More likely, Zaide is not being kicked off the team. He's choosing to leave. And when he was asked the question last week, Shaka didn't believe he'd be choosing to leave.
I don't think that reflects terribly well on Shaka's relationship with Zaide. If he could sit before a microphone eight days ago and confidently state that Zaide wasn't leaving, he obviously didn't have great insight into the situation. But that's better than being a liar, IMO.

[WhiteTrash]

I definitely don't see this is a positive, but time to move on and focus on who is here.

Does this even rate in the top 10 of MU's negatives this year?

[GoldenWarrior11]

This was obvious the moment he didn't travel with the team.  Not playing and being on the bench is one thing.  Not even traveling when healthy (and team is struggling) is a glaring sign of dysfunction (along with rumored altercation with assistant coach).

This season continues to find new depths to fall to.  It's conclusion cannot come soon enough.  Sadly we we still not at official midpoint and a another two months of this train wreck.

[Zog from Margo]

I was informed here that the money was too good at MU for any player to leave so why risk it with an altercation? Doesn't make sense that anything else would matter to a player.

In any event, it's just further evidence of the mess this season has become due to some poor recruiting and questionable coaching and development. MU is in rebuild mode.

[WhiteTrash]

If Shaka was kicking him off the team -or even contemplating it - and then publicly stated he wouldn't be leaving, that makes him a liar. But I doubt that's the case. More likely, Zaide is not being kicked off the team. He's choosing to leave. And when he was asked the question last week, Shaka didn't believe he'd be choosing to leave.
I don't think that reflects terribly well on Shaka's relationship with Zaide. If he could sit before a microphone eight days ago and confidently state that Zaide wasn't leaving, he obviously didn't have great insight into the situation. But that's better than being a liar, IMO.

Dude, he lied. It is totally justifiable,  but still a lie.

[MU82]

Harmony is easy, RGV is easy, with, wait for it, talented players. Shaka was given way too much credit for developing NBA talent.  Let's have some TRGV going forward.  I've already copyrighted it.  Will be selling it in the book store next year.

Obviously need talent. But I think Shaka and his assistants have been given just about the right amount of credit for bringing Kolek and OMax in, for convincing Oso and Kam to stay at Marquette, and for helping them all become NBA-caliber players. I give the players themselves most of the credit, and I always have. It's OK if you disagree; America is still a free country, for now.

As for harmony, chemistry, "culture" and all of those buzzwords ... it's possible to make an NCAA tournament without great team chemistry, but it's hard to maintain it on a team that gets its ass kicked game after game.

[Markusquette]

I was informed here that the money was too good at MU for any player to leave so why risk it with an altercation? Doesn't make sense that anything else would matter to a player.

In any event, it's just further evidence of the mess this season has become due to some poor recruiting and questionable coaching and development. MU is in rebuild mode.

Because altercations are not some planned event. People lose their cool and act foolishly.

Not concerned at all. Honestly seems like they needed that domino to fall to start the true rebuild using the portal in the off season.

[wadesworld]

Good lord. Always rolled my eyes when fans were saying they felt like they knew Shaka even though they'd never met him and that they learn something from Shaka every time they listen to him. Now it's equally as absurd that people think Shaka is a liar or questioning his character because Shaka didn't come out and say he's kicking a player off the team to the media before everything was finalized. Or coming to conclusions as to whether he has good relationships with his players.

Zaide got few minutes against Purdue, then didn't play at all, then didn't travel with the team. I doubt Shaka's blindsided by this. I also don't think that a coach not telling the media everything that is going on is a liar. Sometimes people aren't fully truthful when asked something for a number of reasons. Happens with coaches. Happens in everyday life. Happens for a lot of reasons. Some information is worth protecting. If you think everyone who doesn't give you completely accurate information on everything you ask them about is a liar, then everyone in your life is a liar. Which we all lie, but looking at everyone in your life as a liar is a hell of a way to go through life.

[Elonsmusk]

Yup.

Yeah...and Cody Hatt was the lead on Tre Norman.  But unnatural carnal knowledge it, we should fire Shaka and promote Cody!!

[Pakuni]

Dude, he lied. It is totally justifiable,  but still a lie.

Why would be lie? There's zero downside to telling the truth in that situation.
He could have dodged the question, as 82 suggests.
Instead, he now looks (at best) like a fool for not knowing the situation or a liar for knowing the situation but stating the opposite.

[MurphysTillClose]

Yeah...and Cody Hatt was the lead on Tre Norman.  But unnatural carnal knowledge it, we should fire Shaka and promote Cody!!

Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo

Sorry you've been proven to be an idiot for weeks now. Smoke some weed and chill. It's going to be okay.

[WhiteTrash]

As for harmony, chemistry, "culture" and all of those buzzwords ... it's possible to make an NCAA tournament without great team chemistry, but it's hard to maintain it on a team that gets its ass kicked game after game.

MU doesn't have the luxury to worry about culture;  how about the coaches and players just earning their paychecks?

We can discuss culture when MU is a top 100 team.

[79Warrior]

Who cares.He left. He pretty much did nothing so no loss in my book. Next man up.

[Pakuni]

Because altercations are not some planned event. People lose their cool and act foolishly.

Not concerned at all. Honestly seems like they needed that domino to fall to start the true rebuild using the portal in the off season.

Love how the "altercation" has gone from twitter rumor to established fact in about 45 minutes, despite no actual confirmation that it occurred. It will soon be a part of Scoop lore, like the Hauser brothers slipping notes under Wojo's office door and Buzz's distaste for flushing.

[Elonsmusk]

Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo

Sorry you've been proven to be an idiot for weeks now. Smoke some weed and chill. It's going to be okay.

Nah.  Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.

And the only idiots on Scoop are the 25% of fans like you who have completely unraveled due to one bad season, and totally discounted everything accomplished by our coach the last 4 years.

[connie]

I care less than zero how a head coach answers a question about an unresolved personnel matter.  I care about why we see the obvious downgrade in talent across multiple classes.

[MurphysTillClose]

Nah.  Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.

And the only idiots on Scoop are the 25% of fans like you who have completely unraveled due to one bad season, and totally discounted everything accomplished by our coach the last 4 years.

Who said he was a "brilliant recruiter"?

Unraveled? Who? Just simply confirming his post. Sorry you got offended since Shaka can do no wrong

[CountryRoads]

Nah.  Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.

Wasn't implying anything, man. Was just asking a question. Good call on Zaide in the preseason though. Think you were pretty high on him.

[wadesworld]

I care less than zero how a head coach answers a question about an unresolved personnel matter.  I care about why we see the obvious downgrade in talent across multiple classes.

100%

[Johnny B]

Idk - regardless of the source, it isn't a huge leap to believe something like that happened here

How physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it

[Elonsmusk]

Wasn't implying anything, man. Was just asking a question. Good call on Zaide in the preseason though. Think you were pretty high on him.

I was high on Zaide.  Surprised it went south, and he didn't take a step.  That aside, what did Tyler Kolek's recruitment have to do with anything related to Zaide leaving MU? 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

How physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it

You realize there's no proof that actually happened, right?

[panda]

How physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it

We've all seen zaide play. Couldn't have been more than a pillow fight.