I don't have a single positive from this game

[MuggsyB]

When was the last time we had a team this terrible and is this one of the top five worst MU teams in the last 50 years?

It's the worst Marquette team I can remember.  Including the Wojo teams.  My first MU solid memory I think was '89 or whatever was Tony Smith' Sr. season.  Wojo had some really bad teams but I don't recall the feeling of not being competitive at all before halftime on a regular basis.  I mean there isn't like say a thought that if we do A, B, or C we have a remote chance.  We don't have a player than can get theirs, or change the game defensively, on the glass, drilling threes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. 

[DJO's Jaw]

When was the last time we had a team this terrible and is this one of the top five worst MU teams in the last 50 years?

https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette

Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.

[MuggsyB]

https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette

Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.

I think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now. 

[Pakuni]

Enough to warrant meaningful minutes on a terrible team.

And yet Zaide, Sean and Caedin continue to see the floor.
<shrug>

[DJO's Jaw]

I think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now. 

Yeah I don't think we've found our ranking floor yet, either

[WhiteTrash]

I think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now. 

You can't prove that


I can't disprove that.

[CountryRoads]

Some quotes from the presser:

On Owens and Phillips:

"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."

[MuggsyB]

Yeah I don't think we've found our ranking floor yet, either

What does playing well look like for us?  I honestly don't know.  We hit threes early against Oklahoma but we all know that's an aberration and the Sooners suck defensively.  Forcing turns I thought would be our calling card but we have only 7 guys that are playable right now.  If that.  We occasionally drive and kick or Chase makes a shot in tbe paint, but I have no idea what exactly we're trying to do offensively.

[MuggsyB]

Some quotes from the presser:

On Owens and Phillips:

"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."

Translation:  I have no answers. 

[We R Final Four]

And yet Zaide, Sean and Caedin continue to see the floor.
<shrug>

Yep. Would expect Zaide and Sean to continue to lose more time to frosh, and Damarius to get garbage time as he has.

[Pakuni]

Some quotes from the presser:

On Owens and Phillips:

"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."

We talking about practice? We ain't talking about the game. We talking about practice, man.

[MuggsyB]

Shaka should have had our rotations shored up by now.  Instead, we have musical chairs and guys seemingly having no idea what they're doing out there.

[Pakuni]

It's the worst Marquette team I can remember.  Including the Wojo teams.  My first MU solid memory I think was '89 or whatever was Tony Smith' Sr. season.  Wojo had some really bad teams but I don't recall the feeling of not being competitive at all before halftime on a regular basis.  I mean there isn't like say a thought that if we do A, B, or C we have a remote chance.  We don't have a player than can get theirs, or change the game defensively, on the glass, drilling threes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Bob Dukiet's last two teams were very bad, worse than this one. KO's second team won only 11 games, but there was a lot of optimism with his first class (Mac, Key, Logtermann and Charles Brakes), plus the addition of Ron Curry.

[Stretchdeltsig]

What has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership.  I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.

[MuggsyB]

Bob Dukiet's last two teams were very bad, worse than this one. KO's second team won only 11 games, but there was a lot of optimism with his first class (Mac, Key, Logtermann and Charles Brakes), plus the addition of Ron Curry.

I remember the KO teams.  You're right, you could see good things would eventually happen.  Especially when Miller ran the Point.   All I see with this roster is misery.

[Zog from Margo]

https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette

Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.

So the positive is we may be seeing history in the making.

[MuggsyB]

What has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership.  I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.

Going through the motions.  I think he's extremely frustrated and can check out mentally. 

[Billy Hoyle]

observations from inside the arena:

-Mackey is probably the best college atmosphere I've experienced, and people around me were saying it was nothing like a Big Ten game. Decibel levels hit 104.
-I thought Purdue played at maybe 80% for most of the game. Nothing like seeing the bench cleared before the four minute timeout
-our PGs with a combined 0 points on 0/11 shooting. Sean was brutal upon coming into the game. He was a -16 on the day, James only a -2.
-Does Cadein have incriminating evidence on Shaka?
-Ben played relatively hard but was embarrassed by Cluff in the paint.
-The early offensive strategy was penetration into the paint then cutting baseline. Purdue figured that out pretty quickly. After that I don't know what our offensive strategy was.
-Royce played hard all the way through. I liked what I saw from Stevens and Phillips. On the contrary, Zaide. Ugh. And Chase didn't seem that into it today.
-Our rebounding was non-existent
-Purdue was running that 7-4 redshirt freshman out there for 16 minutes, but Shaka couldn't give Clark any time until garbage time. That doesn't give me much confidence in Clark.
-Speaking of Shaka, he didn't seem as into it as usual. Rather calm.
-I actually saw people who bought "RVG" gear.

It almost felt like we were a buy game today. No Purdue fan expected a loss or even a close game. I did hear more than a few "what happened to Marquette" comments from fans who remembered the Kam show from last season. Just two years ago, I was in the house to see us take down Illinois in Champaign, so I'm kind of asking the same question. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

What has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership.  I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.

Chase and Ben are our two best players and deserve to play.

Aside from that, I'd like to see James, Stevens, Parham, Phillips, Owens and Clark get the bulk of remaining minutes.

I'd add Zaide to that group but he's clearly in the doghouse. I was very high on him going into the season.

[We R Final Four]

I did a double take on Shawn.

[Billy Hoyle]

Tre is making a couple million less than the Bucks cheapest bench players.  There's no comparison between college and NBA pay.

and Tre (and the others on the team) is not only getting a free Marquette education but is also getting more money now than any of their classmates who are paying for school will make within their first five to 10 years out of MU...and for many, ever.

[PistolPete]

Chase and Ben are our two best players and deserve to play.

Say what now? Ben one of our two best players?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Say what now? Ben one of our two best players?

Yes.  This has already been discussed multiple times and the analytics confirm as much.

Now, he's nowhere near as valuable as Chase and everyone else has been varying degrees of mediocre to awful, but that's the reality.

[onepost]

I've reached complete apathy. Knew we'd get smoked, didn't even watch or change plans to watch, I don't care cause it feels like they don't care.

Beyond depressing.

[DoctorV]

Shaka should have had our rotations shored up by now.  Instead, we have musical chairs and guys seemingly having no idea what they're doing out there.

He tried. He had the lineup of Nigel, Adrien/Zaide, Chase, Royce, Ben pretty locked in as his go to lineup for key stretches when there were signs of life.
Even at that time, however, he oddly used Caedin in key stretches.

Many of us, including myself, thought that lineup could be usable and effective and grow as the season progressed.

Not quite, so now he's scuffling and throwing spaghetti at the wall trying to find something that sticks, like he did early in the season.
Ain't nothin stickin though