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Next up: @ Wisconsin

Marquette
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Marquette @
Wisconsin
Date/Time: Dec 6, 2025, 1:00pm
TV: FS1
Schedule for 2025-26
Valparaiso
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Which team was better?

2014-15: Wojo's first season
2025-26: Shaka's fifth season

Voting closes: December 16, 2025, 09:28:12 PM

brewcity77

I think at this point this is a fun little exercise and viable debate. Okay...let's go position by position:

  • PG: Nigel James vs Derrick Wilson
  • SG: Chase Ross vs Matt Carlino
  • SF: Zaide Lowery vs Duane Wilson
  • PF: Ben Gold vs Juan Anderson
  • C: Caedin Hamilton vs Luke Fischer
  • Bench: Parham/Norman/Stevens vs Johnson/Taylor/Cohen
.
I'd take James narrowly over Derrick and Ross over Carlino. I think 2015 wins every other matchup. Wilson, Juan, & Luke were far more consistent with higher game-to-game ceilings.

As far as the teams, offenses were similarly bad, but while Ross has explosive potential, Carlino is the best pure scorer and the Duane/Fischer combination are better secondary options than anyone we have now. Defense is shockingly close. Better rim protection, eFG% defense, and TO rate in 2015, but this is a much better rebounding team.

I lean 2015, what say you?

GoldenEagles03

I think Derrick Wilson and Carlino get the best of James and Ross at least 50% of the time...probably more honestly. Carlino was an elite shooter and Derrick would cause problems for Nigel as a super strong defensive guard.

The 2015 front court would kill this team.
VIOLENCE!

wadesworld

#2
Ben > college Juan.

I was a Derrick defender. James is much better.

Pakuni

2015 team had Magic Dawson. Easy choice.

ATL MU Warrior

Did you pick the 2015 team 2nd or 1st in conference that year? 

BM1090

Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 09:32:19 PMBen > college Juan.

I was a Derrick defender. James is much better.

Not senior Juan. He was a good player.

Agree on NJ.

MU2007

Shaka just said with a straight face in the postgame interview "this is a character building win."

I think the fact that statement was made about a game at home, against Valpo means 2015 in a landslide.

PointWarrior

2026 would win as they are playing 5 on 4

CountryRoads

Good post. I keep going back and forth... then realized that's pretty concerning.

onepost

Quote from: MU2007 on Today at 09:35:40 PMShaka just said with a straight face in the postgame interview "this is a character building win."

I think the fact that statement was made about a game at home, against Valpo means 2015 in a landslide.

You're sounding a teensy bit racist saying this, MU2007. Easy now...

nyg

2015. Wojo's first year and had to put it together. He gets a pass

Shaka's team is a bunch of misfits under the Growth and Development module. Shaka had five years to put this together

Shaka just can't say it, "we played like crap lucky to win". Has to go with another motto. Gets old.

Johnny B

Quote from: nyg on Today at 09:41:02 PM2015. Wojo's first year and had to put it together. He gets a pass

Shaka's team is a bunch of misfits under the Growth and Development module. Shaka had five years to put this together

Shaka just can't say it, "we played like crap lucky to win". Has to go with another motto. Gets old.
Why can't he just say that? Is he in denial. Annoying

Johnny B

Tough to remember how good all those 2015 guys were but
James a bit over Wilson
Ross a bit over carlino

Wash for Wilson and lowery I think as
Wash for gold and Juan. Don't recall how good Juan was his last year.
Fischer light years above Hamilton and parham. Honestly both teams are pretty closely matched I think

Markusquette

Quote from: Johnny B on Today at 09:46:20 PMTough to remember how good all those 2015 guys were but
James a bit over Wilson
Ross a bit over carlino

Wash for Wilson and lowery I think as
Wash for gold and Juan. Don't recall how good Juan was his last year.
Fischer light years above Hamilton and parham. Honestly both teams are pretty closely matched I think

Duane then is better than Lowery now. Juan was solid his senior year. Fischer would go 20 and 10 easily on this year's team.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: brewcity77 on Today at 09:28:13 PMI think at this point this is a fun little exercise and viable debate. Okay...let's go position by position:

  • PG: Nigel James vs Derrick Wilson
  • SG: Chase Ross vs Matt Carlino
  • SF: Zaide Lowery vs Duane Wilson
  • PF: Ben Gold vs Juan Anderson
  • C: Caedin Hamilton vs Luke Fischer
  • Bench: Parham/Norman/Stevens vs Johnson/Taylor/Cohen
.
I'd take James narrowly over Derrick and Ross over Carlino. I think 2015 wins every other matchup. Wilson, Juan, & Luke were far more consistent with higher game-to-game ceilings.

As far as the teams, offenses were similarly bad, but while Ross has explosive potential, Carlino is the best pure scorer and the Duane/Fischer combination are better secondary options than anyone we have now. Defense is shockingly close. Better rim protection, eFG% defense, and TO rate in 2015, but this is a much better rebounding team.

I lean 2015, what say you?

LMAO "I'll take James narrowly over Derrick."  Sounds about right from you, Brew!

Derrick Wilson was the worst player to ever play 30+ per game for two seasons in MU basketball history. Tre Norman is better than Derrick, FFS.

Warrior of Law

Carlin's could win a game.
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