Shaka’s mess

[onepost]

Apathy is worse than bitching.  When apathy sets in, then the program is truly in trouble.  Negative passion isn't always helpful or good but people caring because they want to see better results beats apathy. 

Absolutely. I'm currently at the annoying bitching stage.
Want nothing less than to get to the 2020-2021 Wojo era levels of apathy again.

[Elonsmusk]

Yeah at the end of the day, the second point is where my annoying bitching and moaning comes from.
I find Shaka's plan unacceptable at a school like Marquette.  And I'm yelling to the void since none of us have any influence to change it.

How much do you donate to the Athletic Department?

[Uncle Rico]

Absolutely. I'm currently at the annoying bitching stage.
Want nothing less than to get to the 2020-2021 Wojo era levels of apathy again.

I think Brew is right.  Shaka will be gone before that happens. The good news is, he has the past 4 years of success unlike Wojo, so I think 99% of the fanbase is pulling for him to succeed and fix things.  The passion for the program is in the right place

[MU82]

The people just shrugging off a terrible season with no stakes and buying into a model that will leave us even worse next season. That's what I take issue with.

Nothing! Literally what is the point of a message board then? Nothing we say matters anyway so what's the point in saying it at all?

Few here are "shrugging off" anything. I know I'm not. I am a realist, though.

Glad you're able to blow off steam. Cheaper than a session with a shrink.

[onepost]

I think Brew is right.  Shaka will be gone before that happens. The good news is, he has the past 4 years of success unlike Wojo, so I think 99% of the fanbase is pulling for him to succeed and fix things.  The passion for the program is in the right place

I love Shaka and am incredibly thankful for the success he's had at my alma mater. I want him to be the head coach at Marquette for another decade.

That doesn't make him immune to valid criticisms about the way he is building his program, and the obvious shortcomings he's had despite said success. To me and others, his stubbornness and refusal to continue the ways that have made him successful, when it's clear the route he prefers hasn't been very good, is giving me doubt he can be that guy.

[MU82]

What about all of the hilarious jokes geeko makes? Does that change anything?

It obviously doesn't change his residence in your head.

[Uncle Rico]

I love Shaka and am incredibly thankful for the success he's had at my alma mater. I want him to be the head coach at Marquette for another decade.

That doesn't make him immune to valid criticisms about the way he is building his program, and the obvious shortcomings he's had despite said success. To me and others, his stubbornness and refusal to continue the ways that have made him successful, when it's clear the route he prefers hasn't been very good, is giving me doubt he can be that guy.

I'm not sure how anyone can disagree with that. 

It was fair to wonder why he didn't have another PG last year when it was clear Sean Jones couldn't play.  It's fair to ask why they didn't have at least a vet big man, even a Jayce Johnson this year.

Yes, I know the scholarship restraints but someone said it earlier and I apologize for not quoting them, but relationships are about honesty and being honest with a kid he isn't good enough to play in the Big East, while uncomfortable, is part of the job and part of being in a relationship as player-coach.

[onepost]

I'm not sure how anyone can disagree with that. 

It was fair to wonder why he didn't have another PG last year when it was clear Sean Jones couldn't play.  It's fair to ask why they didn't have at least a vet big man, even a Jayce Johnson this year.

Yes, I know the scholarship restraints but someone said it earlier and I apologize for not quoting them, but relationships are about honesty and being honest with a kid he isn't good enough to play in the Big East, while uncomfortable, is part of the job and part of being in a relationship as player-coach.

I think maybe Brew said that? I know a few people have shared the sentiment, but couldn't agree more with everything you said.
I feel bad hammering kids like Caedin, Tre, Al, Keeyan, so I need to be more mindful of being so hard on the guys themselves. They're doing the best they can. But it speaks to your point that the R in RGV is just as much about being fair to the player (maybe moving down a level) as it is nurturing their growth at Marquette itself.

Shaka has missed on quite a few high school recruits, so I guess my Ian RS hypothetical is mainly to say I wish he would start coming to those conclusions (or being willing) earlier than he has been to this point.

From the sounds of it, the staff was surprised that Al Amadou left the program last spring, which....doesn't give me much confidence that timeline gets accelerated any time soon.

[panda]

It obviously doesn't change his residence in your head.

No matter what you say here, he's not going to date you.

[mileskishnish72]

Literally what is the point of a message board then? Nothing we say matters anyway so what's the point in saying it at all?

I guess it's because we're a group of people who are hooked on MU hoops and can't help ourselves. As disappointed and pissed off as I am at the abysmal product MU is putting on the floor this year, I somehow enjoy hearing the thoughts of others so affected.It's good to know that others feel the same way and it's interesting to see people with varying approaches to the problem.

[MU82]

No matter what you say here, he's not going to date you.

You don't know that.

[panda]

You don't know that.

Geeko has higher standards than you

[PointWarrior]

I don't care if they win any more games than 1 more as long as that one is beating the Badgers.   Yea, that's the type of season we have been handed. 

Only 20? I say we finish 3-29. Absolutely no chance to beat DePaul, Seton Hall or Central Michigan. And your UConn prediction doesn't go far enough; they'll beat us by 400. Twice.

Yup, joyless willie, we haven't won a single game worth mentioning since. Might as well have folded up the program on March 29, 1977. Coulda used the $$$ to bring back football.

[willie warrior]

I don't care if they win any more games than 1 more as long as that one is beating the Badgers.   Yea, that's the type of season we have been handed. 

You missed reading comprehension. That is not what I said in answer to the question posed in the post I responded to. Go back and brush up.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

COLE. You're basically arguing that the Dukiet/Deane/Wojo years of MU basketball are acceptable outcomes.

Not what I said, but you already knew that.

But let's forget about the dead weight coaches and narrow our scope to just the three most successful MU coaches this century: Crean, Buzz, and Shaka.

After this season, that's a total of 20 years that trio has coached at Marquette.  I'm going to project Marquette doesn't win the BE or make the tournament this season.

14/20 NCAA bids (70%; not sure if this meets Pakuni's expectations)
3 conference titles (according to the Pakuni standard, Marquette should have a minimum of 4)
5 Sweet Sixteens (better than Pakuni's expectations of 4)

So even the three best coaches at MU this century are a mixed bag on meeting "the minimum" expectations.  It's kinda nuts (to me at least) that the BEST success MU has had is considered "the minimum" expectation by some.

Now, that doesn't mean Marquette shouldn't strive for more.  A national title in my lifetime is my ultimate hope.

[Viper]

I love Shaka and am incredibly thankful for the success he's had at my alma mater. I want him to be the head coach at Marquette for another decade.

That doesn't make him immune to valid criticisms about the way he is building his program, and the obvious shortcomings he's had despite said success. To me and others, his stubbornness and refusal to continue the ways that have made him successful, when it's clear the route he prefers hasn't been very good, is giving me doubt he can be that guy.

'I love Shaka and am incredibly thankful for the success he's had at my alma mater. I want him to be the head coach at Marquette for another decade.' Not if things don't change. Hoping 2025/26 is an anomaly, a one-off.

[Viper]

I don't care if they win any more games than 1 more as long as that one is beating the Badgers.   Yea, that's the type of season we have been handed. 

amen!

[Badgerhater]

I don't care if they win any more games than 1 more as long as that one is beating the Badgers.   Yea, that's the type of season we have been handed. 

The Badgers with their portal players gave up 90+ and lost bigly.   I was told that doesn't happen to teams with portal players.

[Viper]

The Badgers with their portal players gave up 90+ and lost bigly.   I was told that doesn't happen to teams with portal players.

Gard doesn't know ball

[MU82]

Gard doesn't know ball

He certainly pushed all the right buttons today. A regular coach would have lost by 30+.

[rocky_warrior]

Only 20? I say we finish 3-29. Absolutely no chance to beat DePaul, Seton Hall or Central Michigan. And your UConn prediction doesn't go far enough; they'll beat us by 400. Twice.

Actually, after seeing BYU throttle Wisconsin, 400 might be a good over bet for MU/UConn

[Pakuni]

The Badgers with their portal players gave up 90+ and lost bigly.   I was told that doesn't happen to teams with portal players.

No you weren't.