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[brewcity77]

• Two decisive losses to teams made up entirely of transfers and new players. That's not a good result for the RGV plan.
• Given the circumstances, this is a game you simply cannot lose. They were down two starters, three when Payne got injured.
• Marquette won offensive rebounds 20-4. Second chance points 25-6. Took 76 FGA to 55 for Maryland. Won the turnover battle and fast break points. None of that mattered.
• Career night from Chase. Flashes of brilliance from Nigel and Zaide. Ben was good in spurts.
• So why'd we lose? Not good enough shooting, 27.5% from three. So many missed layups. Combined 12/34 (6/19 from 3) from Zaide and Ben wasn't enough.
• Fetch isn't happening. Feels like the staff evaluation of Hamilton, Owens, and Sean are just way off.
• Really thought we'd have a solid defense, but 1.16 ppp for Maryland with THAT roster is embarrassing. They are not good, but we were clearly worse.
• It feels like it has to be hyperbolic, but the season feels over before Thanksgiving. This is a bad loss, Purdue and Bucky look like unscalable mountains, and the Big East won't offer many resume building opportunities.
• I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff.

[1SE]

Year 5 should have been the culmination of the RGV approach - not a reset - your roster is full of your guys who have done your system. As always, I'd rather see us win in March in November, but at this rate we won't be playing for much in March.

[Uncle Rico]

• Two decisive losses to teams made up entirely of transfers and new players. That's not a good result for the RGV plan.
• Given the circumstances, this is a game you simply cannot lose. They were down two starters, three when Payne got injured.
• Marquette won offensive rebounds 20-4. Second chance points 25-6. Took 76 FGA to 55 for Maryland. Won the turnover battle and fast break points. None of that mattered.
• Career night from Chase. Flashes of brilliance from Nigel and Zaide. Ben was good in spurts.
• So why'd we lose? Not good enough shooting, 27.5% from three. So many missed layups. Combined 12/34 (6/19 from 3) from Zaide and Ben wasn't enough.
• Fetch isn't happening. Feels like the staff evaluation of Hamilton, Owens, and Sean are just way off.
• Really thought we'd have a solid defense, but 1.16 ppp for Maryland with THAT roster is embarrassing. They are not good, but we were clearly worse.
• It feels like it has to be hyperbolic, but the season feels over before Thanksgiving. This is a bad loss, Purdue and Bucky look like unscalable mountains, and the Big East won't offer many resume building opportunities.
• I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff.

We could cover a lot up if we bring back the Warriors nickname

[GB Warrior]

Brew hit it. Season is over. They should be burning the redshirts and seeing what's there. You're not getting anything new out of guys like Tre. See if anything here is worth salvaging

[The Sultan]

Career night from Chase offensively, but his defense (which was either "lazy" or "tired"), was a problem at times.

[MarquetteMike1977]

• Two decisive losses to teams made up entirely of transfers and new players. That's not a good result for the RGV plan.
• Given the circumstances, this is a game you simply cannot lose. They were down two starters, three when Payne got injured.
• Marquette won offensive rebounds 20-4. Second chance points 25-6. Took 76 FGA to 55 for Maryland. Won the turnover battle and fast break points. None of that mattered.
• Career night from Chase. Flashes of brilliance from Nigel and Zaide. Ben was good in spurts.
• So why'd we lose? Not good enough shooting, 27.5% from three. So many missed layups. Combined 12/34 (6/19 from 3) from Zaide and Ben wasn't enough.
• Fetch isn't happening. Feels like the staff evaluation of Hamilton, Owens, and Sean are just way off.
• Really thought we'd have a solid defense, but 1.16 ppp for Maryland with THAT roster is embarrassing. They are not good, but we were clearly worse.
• It feels like it has to be hyperbolic, but the season feels over before Thanksgiving. This is a bad loss, Purdue and Bucky look like unscalable mountains, and the Big East won't offer many resume building opportunities.
• I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff.

Agree. VRG may be better than RGV.
The College game is unfortunately getting more like the Pro game and Marquette RGV is getting more like the high school game.

[brewcity77]

Career night from Chase offensively, but his defense (which was either "lazy" or "tired"), was a problem at times.

Defense everywhere was a problem. Didn't pressure a team without many ball-handlers. Royce and Ben couldn't stay in front of guys. They gashed us at the rim. I didn't see any way they would be able to score enough to win. Giving up 1.16 is atrocious.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Brew hit it. Season is over. They should be burning the redshirts and seeing what's there. You're not getting anything new out of guys like Tre. See if anything here is worth salvaging

Burning redshirts in what may be a down season is pure idiocy.

[Uncle Rico]

Burning redshirts in what may be a down season is pure idiocy.

Burn it all down

[The Sultan]

Burning redshirts in what may be a down season is pure idiocy.

Yeah the idea that Sheek is going to come in here and it's going to turn us into a tournament team is questionable.

[Small Orange Soda]

Anybody else ever notice how funny this spambot is?

[Small Orange Soda]

Burn it all down

Always love hearing from the Spam Father.

[Uncle Rico]

Always love hearing from the Spam Father.

Always love hearing from people that only show up after losses

[Small Orange Soda]

Eh, fair.

[Uncle Rico]

Eh, fair.

I get it.  Venting after losses is fine.  This team probably isn't that good this year and it's frustrating as hell.  Especially when you're playing a system that requires being better than 30% from 3.  It's up to the staff to adjust the plan or face the criticism

[ATL MU Warrior]

This is an instance where I'm going to try to make myself feel better by reminding this board that I was right all along last season. This team is thoroughly mediocre and this was easy to see coming last year. 

[jfp61]

• Two decisive losses to teams made up entirely of transfers and new players. That's not a good result for the RGV plan.

Can't have an RGV plan with clearly BAD relationships.


Letting players fail upwards has let to bad relationships across the team.

Only Ross and Gold have a clue[/list]

[TFlegend]

There isn't much G and V to go with the R.  I don't give a @#$& whether we have transfers or guys that stay in the system.  We need good players, period.  This team isn't competitive.  The fact this staff thought it was is crazy.  For example, I don't care how many managers, asst coaches or walk ons Hamilton beats up on in the summer. That dude is not a high major player. 

[Zog from Margo]

Burn redshirts? MU's problem is the opposite. They're playing too many guys. Owens played 10 minutes and had only 2 fouls on the stat line. Norman has contributed more, but not enough to get meaningful minutes. Clark is not ready. Shorten the bench and pull back the press. A bad half court D is only going to be worse if you extend it. Why is Clark picking up Payne outside the 3 pt line? MU is not forcing enough TOs against good teams to justify pressing.

It also might be time to reevaluate the Nevada Smith offense. If you want to launch that many 3s, MU needs to change its recruiting focus.

[brewcity77]

There isn't much G and V to go with the R.  I don't give a @#$& whether we have transfers or guys that stay in the system.  We need good players, period.  This team isn't competitive.  The fact this staff thought it was is crazy.  For example, I don't care how many managers, asst coaches or walk ons Hamilton beats up on in the summer. That dude is not a high major player.

This is where I'm at. It's great to commit to the Relationships and the Growth, and when it works, I think it will lead to Victory. But we have guys who've been here for 2-3 years that simply haven't grown. When you're in year 3 with the program and aren't a positive contributor, it isn't disloyal to help that player find a new landing spot and replace them with someone who will be able to deliver more productive minutes in meaningful moments.

And honestly, if you aren't doing that, are you keeping up the Relationships end to the players that did stick around and demonstrate Growth?

[CountryRoads]

There isn't much G and V to go with the R.  I don't give a @#$& whether we have transfers or guys that stay in the system.  We need good players, period.  This team isn't competitive.  The fact this staff thought it was is crazy.  For example, I don't care how many managers, asst coaches or walk ons Hamilton beats up on in the summer. That dude is not a high major player.

Agreed. Hamilton has made a lot of progress and obviously put a lot of work in on his body, but his talent level and ceiling looks like it's below the high major level to me. Pulling Sheek's redshirt won't happen, but sure hope he's in a position to start next year. Royce's skill level is that of an undersized 5. He struggles on both ends on the perimeter but has a decent motor down low. Clark was worth the flyer. He moves ok and is a legit 7 feet tall.

[PointWarrior]

"I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff."

 - In current Shaka system, do we appear competitive again when this year's freshman get to be juniors?

[dpucane]

"I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff."

 - In current Shaka system, do we appear competitive again when this year's freshman get to be juniors?

Maybe, but you can't just excuse two straight bad years in this hypothetical. If they're bad this year and next year, Shaka ain't it.

[mileskishnish72]

"I'm at a bit of a loss. Expected a lot more. This feels like a total expectation reset on the season, the retention model, and maybe even the staff."

 - In current Shaka system, do we appear competitive again when this year's freshman get to be juniors?

Depends on recruits - gotta start hitting a higher percentage than the soph/junior class.

[jeffreyweee]

It is painful to see this board of hardcore college basketball fans not understand college basketball. Teams like Marquette will always ebb and flow in their quality. We are not a team filled with McDonald's AA. In the last 2 years we lost Kam, Tyler, and Oso to the NBA. Those guys were fucking studs. We also lost Jop, and Stevie, two important starters.

The team is currently made up of guys who have very little experience playing college ball, and even less playing meaningful minutes. This is a growth year. It doesn't matter if it's fucking year 5, year 15, or year 30. Programs and coaches have down years when they graduate that kind of usage rate.

I'm also not interested in watching a college basketball team filled with transfers. I'd rather watch the Marquette teams of the last 2 years, with their disappointing finishes, than a team filled with one year guys who don't give a crap about the program. The same was true with one and done's. I will have absolutely no connection to that team. In that case I'd rather just watch the NBA, which somehow has landed with more continuity than college ball.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but this seemed like the proud sentiment from the fanbase for the last 3 years. One down year while young, talented kids try to figure it out and you're ready to abandon it all?