We May Be In Serious Trouble

[MuggsyB]

We could have severe issues vs UCONN.

[Uncle Rico]

I think we will be the new bottom feeder of the Big East. Connecticut and St John's will destroy us

Agreed

[CountryRoads]

We might lose by 40 at UConn

If we still even remotely have a chance at an NCAA bid on Jan 4th when we play them, I'd sign up right now for a 40 point beating to them. Decent chance we're so buried by that point it'll just be another one to chalk up and forget.

[MuggsyB]

If we still even remotely have a chance at an NCAA bid on Jan 4th when we play them, I'd sign up right now for a 40 point beating to them. Decent chance we're so buried by that point it'll just be another one to chalk up and forget.

Is there any hope?  I'm sifting through a lot of stuff in my brain.  It's been a very upsetting day. 

[CountryRoads]

Is there any hope?  I'm sitting through a lot of stuff in my brain.  It's been a very upsetting day. 

Not sure, but I'll be watching Wednesday.

[MuggsyB]

Not sure, but I'll be watching Wednesday.

What about going small?  I don't like Hamilton and Gold together.   

NJ
Chase
ZL
Benny
Stevens

Not seeing a scintilla of growth from Owens or Norman is a bit perplexing. 

[Uncle Rico]

Is there any hope?  I'm sitting through a lot of stuff in my brain.  It's been a very upsetting day. 

Yes.

Remember Shaka's first year when they lost 4 straight heading into the new year?  Or his second year when they were sitting 67 in KenPom after losing to Mississippi State?  Or when they lost 3 of their first 5 to open Big East play in '24, including at home against Butler?

This team is flawed but the idea the season is over after 5 games is fan doomerism.  Will they turn it around?  Maybe, maybe not.

With Buzz in the arena, thought of the 09-10 team that started 1-5 in Big East play and was sitting 11-7 overall and earned a 6-seed.

Adversity creates opportunity.  It's up to them overcome it.

[MuggsyB]

Yes.

Remember Shaka's first year when they lost 4 straight heading into the new year?  Or his second year when they were sitting 67 in KenPom after losing to Mississippi State?  Or when they lost 3 of their first 5 to open Big East play in '24, including at home against Butler?

This team is flawed but the idea the season is over after 5 games is fan doomerism.  Will they turn it around?  Maybe, maybe not.

With Buzz in the arena, thought of the 09-10 team that started 1-5 in Big East play and was sitting 11-7 overall and earned a 6-seed.

Adversity creates opportunity.  It's up to them overcome it.

Good points.  But we really need Parham & Hamilton to wake up.  And starting Wednesday. 

[CountryRoads]

What about going small?  I don't like Hamilton and Gold together. 

NJ
Chase
ZL
Benny
Stevens

Not seeing a scintilla of growth from Owens or Norman is a bit perplexing. 

Let's find our best 5 and get them on the floor as much as possible and go from there. The coach we went against today found ways to win here in different ways. Prolonged stubbornness will lead to many more days like this.

[Uncle Rico]

Good points.  But we really need Parham & Hamilton to wake up.  And starting Wednesday. 

Parham and Owens are a problem.  Their lack of improvement after flashing early last year is bewildering. 

Hamilton has moments but isn't nearly tough enough against the big boys.  I'd go smaller but you'll need some minutes from Hamilton regardless.

[MuggsyB]

Let's find our best 5 and get them on the floor as much as possible and go from there. The coach we went against today found ways to win here in different ways. Prolonged stubbornness will lead to many more days like this.

I thought Royce had a pretty bad game, but he's capable.  My issue with 2 bigs on the floor is more on the defensive end.  That said, I'll admit I don't have clear answers. 

[GB Warrior]

Shaka's challenge will be to keep the team believing that his system can work. If they stop believing, easy to see how this spirals.

[GoldenEagles03]

College basketball is a cruel cruel sport when you don't win the games you gotta have. I wish I didn't know how bracketology worked so I could enjoy the rest of the season how I should be able to. Knowing that we probably needed today to make the NCAA tournament is brutal!

[MuggsyB]

Parham and Owens are a problem.  Their lack of improvement after flashing early last year is bewildering. 

Hamilton has moments but isn't nearly tough enough against the big boys.  I'd go smaller but you'll need some minutes from Hamilton regardless.

Well said. And you can add Norman to that mix.  I'm lost ×3 with this returning trio.

[Warrior-Eagle]

Perspective in Panic

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[mileskishnish72]

Yes.

Remember Shaka's first year when they lost 4 straight heading into the new year?  Or his second year when they were sitting 67 in KenPom after losing to Mississippi State?  Or when they lost 3 of their first 5 to open Big East play in '24, including at home against Butler?

This team is flawed but the idea the season is over after 5 games is fan doomerism.  Will they turn it around?  Maybe, maybe not.

With Buzz in the arena, thought of the 09-10 team that started 1-5 in Big East play and was sitting 11-7 overall and earned a 6-seed.

Adversity creates opportunity.  It's up to them overcome it.

Is that really you, Ric? It's so unsardonic!

[nyg]

What about going small?  I don't like Hamilton and Gold together. 

NJ
Chase
ZL
Benny
Stevens

Not seeing a scintilla of growth from Owens or Norman is a bit perplexing. 

Enough of your Norman concern/perlex.

Tre Norman's role is to come in one to two minutes each half to give a player a rest.  It usually coincides with an upcoming TV timeout to extend the rest.  He has been at MU for three years and averages four minutes a game, that's with extended play against cupcakes with blowouts. He hardly played at all at the end of last year in BE play.  He shoots 18% from three and shoots 50% from the free throw line. Even with Jones not playing today, he played four minutes, Stevens has the minutes now. Retention and development has not worked in his favor for BE playing time.

Like others stated, with the exception of Lowery, the class of Norman, Hamilton, Lowery and Amadou has not really worked out. 

[panda]

Truly a catastrophic loss. All the problems discussed leading into the season manifest in one game.

Horrific performances from Hamilton. He is unplayable and has no business being on a high major roster. Clark not much better.

Owens and parham on milk cartons. I at least have hope for growth from these two.

Defensive efforts are abysmal. Losing to a depleted Maryland team at home and then blown out by IU. Haven't looked great in long stretches in our buy games either.

We have zero talent depth but a full roster this year and next. Horrible roster makeup and frankly it's malpractice to have a team like this in the current era.

Exciting offensive play from James, Lowry and Ross. Gold working his tail off. Lowry the only two way player on this roster. We're lucky the BE is hot garbage so our record won't be as bad as our talent reflects.

[Badgerhater]

This team is flawed but the idea the season is over after 5 games is fan doomerism.

Fan doomerism?  Do you mean just another day on Scoop.

[Uncle Rico]

Is that really you, Ric? It's so unsardonic!

Everyone's on edge!

[GoldenEagles03]

Truly a catastrophic loss. All the problems discussed leading into the season manifest in one game.

Horrific performances from Hamilton. He is unplayable and has no business being on a high major roster. Clark not much better.

Owens and parham on milk cartons. I at least have hope for growth from these two.

Defensive efforts are abysmal. Losing to a depleted Maryland team at home and then blown out by IU. Haven't looked great in long stretches in our buy games either.

We have zero talent depth but a full roster this year and next. Horrible roster makeup and frankly it's malpractice to have a team like this in the current era.

Exciting offensive play from James, Lowry and Ross. Gold working his tail off. Lowry the only two way player on this roster. We're lucky the BE is hot garbage so our record won't be as bad as our talent reflects.

The worst part is that I truly think Nigel, Adrien, Zaide, Chase, Ben are winning players.

I still hold out hope for Royce. This would have been the perfect year to use the transfer portal in this system. To replenish the talent that left, ahead of underclassmen. Caedin maybe could be serviceable in a backup role but we will never know because he has been forced to start before ever having a real backup role. Now we may have a wasted season of really good Chase and really good Ben.

I still think Nigel, Adrien, and Zaide are a good trio to build on but they need outside help for next season IMO. It should be ok for everyone to admit that within the program. Nobodies feelings will be hurt.

[panda]

The worst part is that I truly think Nigel, Adrien, Zaide, Chase, Ben are winning players.

I still hold out hope for Royce. This would have been the perfect year to use the transfer portal in this system. To replenish the talent that left, ahead of underclassmen. Caedin maybe could be serviceable in a backup role but we will never know because he has been forced to start before ever having a real backup role. Now we may have a wasted season of really good Chase and really good Ben.

I still think Nigel, Adrien, and Zaide are a good trio to build on but they need outside help for next season IMO. It should be ok for everyone to admit that within the program. Nobodies feelings will be hurt.

Transfer vet big last year coupled with the seniors would help. Transfer this year would help the core of talent.

Caedin Hamilton and Josh Clark do not help this roster or last years. Malpractice

[MuggsyB]

Enough of your Norman concern/perlex.

Tre Norman's role is to come in one to two minutes each half to give a player a rest.  It usually coincides with an upcoming TV timeout to extend the rest.  He has been at MU for three years and averages four minutes a game, that's with extended play against cupcakes with blowouts. He hardly played at all at the end of last year in BE play.  He shoots 18% from three and shoots 50% from the free throw line. Even with Jones not playing today, he played four minutes, Stevens has the minutes now. Retention and development has not worked in his favor for BE playing time.

Like others stated, with the exception of Lowery, the class of Norman, Hamilton, Lowery and Amadou has not really worked out.

I don't disagree with your synopsis at all.  I just thought we'd see growth from Tre and Caedin by now. 

[Pakuni]

With Buzz in the arena, thought of the 09-10 team that started 1-5 in Big East play and was sitting 11-7 overall and earned a 6-seed.

Adversity creates opportunity.  It's up to them overcome it.

Sure, but four of those Big East losses were to top 10 teams by a combined 10 points. The other was by a point on the road against DePaul. Five losses by a total of 11 points.
They were losing, but competitive against the top teams in the country.
This team is getting curb stomped by unranked opponents.

[GoldenEagles03]

I also think the Dayton team we play on Wednesday is better than the group Maryland beat us with in the last 10 minutes of the game today.

We have to beat Dayton or Oklahoma to avoid a sub .500 NonCon.