Hoosier beat down

[MUbiz]

Sorry double post for some reason

[MUBurrow]

The sophomores? Parham, Owens and Hamilton? Man, I hope so...but I'm not sure about that.

I think that by the start of the conference season 2026-2027, Parham really puts it all together.  I know it feels a long way off, but I think he's going to continue to struggle a bit as a role player. Once he's in a spot where his usage % goes up, I think he gets better and better.  Hamilton I think will just continue to improve and be an extremely solid frontcourt presence as an upper classman.  Owens remains a bit of a wildcard. 

[willie warrior]

This game was like getting hit by a truck. Didn't see it coming. What a big difference it makes to have ten transfers of older guys that are getting paid. They played like a semi pro team who learned a lot from playing in Europe. Its disappointing and sad that college basketball has morphed away from student athletes to semi pro ball players. It's two different games. I know I will continue to root for Marquette.

What Sleazeball Pitino said.

[willie warrior]

not sure what Maryland presents, but Purdue, Oklahoma and Wisconsin present experienced, talented teams. If...big IF, MU enters conference play with 4 L's, not sure they play much better than .500 ball on the season. If so, doesn't it force the HC to rethink how a roster is assembled? MU has a roster of solid guys, it seems. Rep the University at a high level. BUT, taking the no-offer-development-guy will have to change. Or, accept what it is. 

Shaka won't rethink that

[GoldenEagles03]

I think that by the start of the conference season 2026-2027, Parham really puts it all together.  I know it feels a long way off, but I think he's going to continue to struggle a bit as a role player. Once he's in a spot where his usage % goes up, I think he gets better and better.  Hamilton I think will just continue to improve and be an extremely solid frontcourt presence as an upper classman.  Owens remains a bit of a wildcard. 

I like what you said about Royce here. I think he should be getting major minutes. He has impact starter potential.Let him try to reach it!

A loss like yesterday can help you learn a lot about a team. It can also help the players learn a lot about themselves.

One game at a time but there is a path to being 6-1 headed back for another go around in Chicago. Saturday could be a huge swing game for the season.

[Viper]

No, a potentially disappointing year will not force Shaka to reconsider his current roster construction philosophy, nor should it. 

With 15 scholarships and redshirts available, taking development guys won't change either, nor should it. 

Yes, yesterday really sucked and it's completely fair to have concerns and questions.  But I'm seeing an awful lot of overreaction and hyperbole right now, which I guess shouldn't be that surprising. 

I believe in the talent of Parham and Owens, the freshman class looks good, next year's incoming class looks good, and Shaka is in on a lot of talent right now.  Multiple high-ceiling recruits have stated that his retention philosophy is a major reason in why they've committed to Marquette. 

Even some of the best programs have down years and, perhaps this will be one of ours, but I still see the arrow pointing up in regard to the future.

... "No, a potentially disappointing year will not force Shaka to reconsider his current roster construction philosophy, nor should it.

With 15 scholarships and redshirts available, taking development guys won't change either, nor should it." Why? As a hypothetical, things go south on the season, would adjusting, i.e. go the portal route, move on from a player or two, not happen? Does it matter how many scholly guys you have if player talent doesn't result in wins?

[MU82]

Sean -28  - YIKES
Ross -15
Parham -12
Gold -17
Hamilton -6
Lowery -10
Clark -2
Stevens -13

Nigel James only positive at +8

Even as limiting as 1-game plus/minus is as an evaluation tool, this is eye-opening.

[mileskishnish72]

Sean -28  - YIKES
Ross -15
Parham -12
Gold -17
Hamilton -6
Lowery -10
Clark -2
Stevens -13

Nigel James only positive at +8

Yes, +/- has its limitations, doesn't always give a good reflection of real events, blah, blah, blah.

Still and all -28 compared to +8? Shaka has to take a long look at what's going on. And,
IMO those numbers were pretty reflective of what we were seeing. I agree that it's disappointing to see 22 playing so badly, but what we are getting is the Bad Sean with the same flaws we've seen before. I'm not one of those "Get him out of there" guys and I am
confident that Shaka will give Sean a long leash, but it will be interesting to watch the
minutes as the season progresses.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

... "No, a potentially disappointing year will not force Shaka to reconsider his current roster construction philosophy, nor should it.

With 15 scholarships and redshirts available, taking development guys won't change either, nor should it." Why? As a hypothetical, things go south on the season, would adjusting, i.e. go the portal route, move on from a player or two, not happen? Does it matter how many scholly guys you have if player talent doesn't result in wins?

Why? With 15 scholarships, you have a lot more flexibility to take a developmental guy like a Clark or Hamilton, redshirt them, and have them in the program for 5 years.  There are more than enough roster spots where taking 1 developmental guy every year or two shouldn't impede the program from building really good teams. 

Hamilton has 3 years left and Clark has 4.  Might it make sense to see how their careers turn out before whining about taking developmental guys?  If the # of scholarships was more limited, that criticism would make a lot more sense to me but not with 15.

And no, why would one potential down year cause Shaka to abandon everything he believes in and has sold recruits on regarding the Marquette program?  How do you think he's going to look to the returning and incoming players? 

Jesus, these overreactions are something else.