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[dgies9156]

Israel attacked another country, completely unprovoked. 

Excuse me, but are you on planet Earth?????

From where do you think Hamas and Hezbollah are supplied? Just exactly what do you think "from the river to the sea" means? If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, to whom do you think will be the recipient of all that research and development?

When we were attached on 9/11, do you think we should have said, "oh, they weren't flying a flag, let's just ignore it and hope it goes away?"

Israel has been attacked over and over again by Iran's proxies in the region. No, the Ayatollahs have been fortunate enough to get someone else to do their dirty work. The Israelis aren't stupid -- they know. They're not going to sit back and let their citizenry be killed by terrorists funded by Iran. Any more than we would have taken a pass on going after the idiots that attacked us on 9/11.

Give the Israelis credit -- they're slick in how they go after Iran. They really are. They need to be if they intend to survive.

[MuggsyB]

Excuse me, but are you on planet Earth?????

From where do you think Hamas and Hezbollah are supplied? Just exactly what do you think "from the river to the sea" means? If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, to whom do you think will be the recipient of all that research and development?

When we were attached on 9/11, do you think we should have said, "oh, they weren't flying a flag, let's just ignore it and hope it goes away?"

Israel has been attacked over and over again by Iran's proxies in the region. No, the Ayatollahs have been fortunate enough to get someone else to do their dirty work. The Israelis aren't stupid -- they know. They're not going to sit back and let their citizenry be killed by terrorists funded by Iran. Any more than we would have taken a pass on going after the idiots that attacked us on 9/11.

Give the Israelis credit -- they're slick in how they go after Iran. They really are. They need to be if they intend to survive.

It amazes me brother dgies how many people seem to be living in la-la land. 

[jesmu84]

1. "from the river to the sea" means Palestinians living with the same freedom and rights as Israelis in the same geographic region

2. On March 25, Tulsi gabbard - director of national intelligence - testified that all intelligence evidence to date indicates Iran is not building a nuclear weapon.

[MuggsyB]

"from the river to the sea" means Palestinians living with the same freedom and rights as Israelis in the same geographic region

No, it doesn't. 

[Shaka Shart]

https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/

[Uncle Rico]

https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/

Bob makes some excellent points

[The Sultan]

Polls consistently show the Iranian people are far more moderate and open to the West, including democratic values, than the religious dictatorship. They also show that most Iranians disapprove of the religious dictatorship and blame it for the country's problems.
The mullahs have all the guns right now, but history shows that you can only retain power at the end of a muzzle for so long when the populace holds you - not your "enemies" - responsible for their struggles. Just ask the Soviets.

Lots of words. Never answered the question.

[Pakuni]

Lots of words. Never answered the question.

Are you under the impression that Iranians don't access to the internet and Western media?

[Jay Bee]

1. "from the river to the sea" means Palestinians living with the same freedom and rights as Israelis in the same geographic region

bruh, dafuq?

[MU82]

My views are nowhere near the majority, but nothing has changed my mind regarding what should have been done to Iranian leadership and Putin within weeks after Ukraine and Israel were attacked. 

Ok, I'll play. What do you think should have happened to Putin, and who was supposed to have made it happen?

[The Sultan]

Are you under the impression that Iranians don't access to the internet and Western media?

Post number two not answering the question.

[Hards Alumni]

Excuse me, but are you on planet Earth?????

From where do you think Hamas and Hezbollah are supplied? Just exactly what do you think "from the river to the sea" means? If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, to whom do you think will be the recipient of all that research and development?

When we were attached on 9/11, do you think we should have said, "oh, they weren't flying a flag, let's just ignore it and hope it goes away?"

Israel has been attacked over and over again by Iran's proxies in the region. No, the Ayatollahs have been fortunate enough to get someone else to do their dirty work. The Israelis aren't stupid -- they know. They're not going to sit back and let their citizenry be killed by terrorists funded by Iran. Any more than we would have taken a pass on going after the idiots that attacked us on 9/11.

Give the Israelis credit -- they're slick in how they go after Iran. They really are. They need to be if they intend to survive.

Yes.  I'm on planet earth.  You're not seriously this stupid, are you?

The state of Israel was created from nothing 75+ years ago on land taken from the native people by people who didn't live there!  Since that time, those same people have been displaced, harassed, and systemically erased.  And the Western world allows it an supplies the destruction of these same people.  Can you blame them for creating an armed resistance?

We've been told for literal DECADES that Iran is months, weeks or days away from a nuclear weapon, and yet, in all that time... no nuke.  Kind of strange, isn't it?  Even our current Director of National Intelligence is quote as saying, "(The intelligence community) continues to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized a nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003."

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and Lebanon. Fifteen were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.  The KSA is our ALLY, and nothing happened to them.  Instead, we invaded Iraq.  Worked out great.  Remember that?  Wasn't a total boondoggle that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.  Oh, it was. 

The Israeli government and its military commit war crime after war crime, including tens of thousands of innocent children killed, journalists murdered, and the systemic starvation of millions.  And you cheer.  You call them slick in their methods.

That's disgusting behavior, and if the roles were reversed (Israeli Jew for Israeli Arab) I can promise that you and a ton of others would be horrified.  Your comments are unbecoming of a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[Uncle Rico]

Ok, I'll play. What do you think should have happened to Putin, and who was supposed to have made it happen?

Many people forget Russia was our ally in WWII.  Nobody talks about that. 

[Pakuni]

Post number two not answering the question.

I did, but you're being purposely obtuse. At least I hope purposely.

[MuggsyB]

Ok, I'll play. What do you think should have happened to Putin, and who was supposed to have made it happen?

Let's just say the 5 point plan covers this.  It would not be pretty for Putin.  What a piece of garbage.   

[Scoop Snoop]

Let's just say the 5 point plan covers this.  It would not be pretty for Putin.  What a piece of garbage. 

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 06, 2024, 09:02:49 PM

So when you said "everything would be on the table" and "attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately" you weren't stating that you would be okay with open war against Russia?

Muggsy's reply:

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt.

[MuggsyB]

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 06, 2024, 09:02:49 PM

So when you said "everything would be on the table" and "attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately" you weren't stating that you would be okay with open war against Russia?

Muggsy's reply:

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt.

Correct. 

[Hards Alumni]

Correct. 

Russia is estimated to possess around 5,580 nuclear warheads, according to the Federation of American Scientists. This includes both deployed and non-deployed warheads. Approximately 1,710 are believed to be deployed on strategic delivery systems like missiles and bombers, while others are held in storage or are awaiting dismantlement

[Uncle Rico]

Russia is estimated to possess around 5,580 nuclear warheads, according to the Federation of American Scientists. This includes both deployed and non-deployed warheads. Approximately 1,710 are believed to be deployed on strategic delivery systems like missiles and bombers, while others are held in storage or are awaiting dismantlement

The underpants gnomes will handle that

[Jockey]

Let's just say the 5 point plan covers this.  It would not be pretty for Putin.  What a piece of garbage.   

But he's a hero and a great man to people on your side.

[MUBurrow]

This sounds terribly naive. How do you think the west can "encourage democratic values" when the state is being run by a religious dictatorship?

I'll admit I was coming at that comment from more of a "do no harm" standpoint - e.g. don't include Iran in your axis of evil SoTU speach because you've got a forever war to defend and everyone knows axes need to have three countries.  So you raise a good practical point. I'll give you something between "brilliant" and "terribly naive" in that I'm no expert in covert ops to sow discontent and support opposition, but the Mahsa Amini protests showed there is a lot to work with on the ground. Maybe Western powers already are offering quiet but meaningful support to opposition voices, but I think we'd be a lot further along if Western politicians weren't so anxious to score easy political points with bellicose anti-Iranian rhetoric.

That being said, I do think there is a low, but not insignificant chance that Iran shows itself totally incapable of a meaningful military response here, and the realization of that weakness is a contributing factor to regime change.  I'm just pessimistic that Netanyahu is sufficiently committed to the bit, rather than hoping to score a few easy points.  (Or maybe he's way too committed and wont stop until he achieves regime change, no matter the cost, to save his own skin? Idk, either way he's far from a trustworthy actor here and that's an unwelcome complication.)

[Scoop Snoop]

But he's a hero and a great man to people on your side.

Someone called him a "savvy genius" for taking strategic parts of Ukraine in 2014.

Note to Rocky: I did not name anyone.

[MU82]

Let's just say the 5 point plan covers this.  It would not be pretty for Putin. 

So ... nothing. Thanks for confirming.

[The Sultan]

I did, but you're being purposely obtuse. At least I hope purposely.

You did not.

[Uncle Rico]

Someone called him a "savvy genius" for taking strategic parts of Ukraine in 2014.

Note to Rocky: I did not name anyone.

A lot of people don't like Putin but I admire the way he handles political opponents.  Can't do that in America because of woke