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[TSmith34, Inc.]

I don't see a lot of difference in the bottom two options.

Also, I guess 19% answered "I don't know".

[forgetful]

Reports coming out about Trump's 20-point plan highlight the entire history of negotiations for peace.

Trump met with Arab leaders and came up with a plan they would all agree on and that they would push Hamas to accept.

Trump then presented it to Bibi, and promptly removed almost all the things that Arab leaders said they required in a deal, added elements the Arab leaders would not be supportive on that Bibi wanted in the deal, and then announced everyone had agreed to the deal and Hamas must sign.

Except, the deal was not agreed to by everyone, all the elements one side wanted (and very reasonable elements) were removed as concessions to Bibi, who really doesn't want peace. This same process has been repeated several times, where "deals" were agreed to, only for the requirements/conditions to change coming from Bibi.

In the meantime, innocent women and children continue to die and it seems like no one cares.

[cheebs09]

Reports coming out about Trump's 20-point plan highlight the entire history of negotiations for peace.

Trump met with Arab leaders and came up with a plan they would all agree on and that they would push Hamas to accept.

Trump then presented it to Bibi, and promptly removed almost all the things that Arab leaders said they required in a deal, added elements the Arab leaders would not be supportive on that Bibi wanted in the deal, and then announced everyone had agreed to the deal and Hamas must sign.

Except, the deal was not agreed to by everyone, all the elements one side wanted (and very reasonable elements) were removed as concessions to Bibi, who really doesn't want peace. This same process has been repeated several times, where "deals" were agreed to, only for the requirements/conditions to change coming from Bibi.

In the meantime, innocent women and children continue to die and it seems like no one cares.

Another war solved.

[The Sultan]

Trump's 20 point plan was destined to fail - 15 points too many.

[Hards Alumni]

Reports coming out about Trump's 20-point plan highlight the entire history of negotiations for peace.

Trump met with Arab leaders and came up with a plan they would all agree on and that they would push Hamas to accept.

Trump then presented it to Bibi, and promptly removed almost all the things that Arab leaders said they required in a deal, added elements the Arab leaders would not be supportive on that Bibi wanted in the deal, and then announced everyone had agreed to the deal and Hamas must sign.

Except, the deal was not agreed to by everyone, all the elements one side wanted (and very reasonable elements) were removed as concessions to Bibi, who really doesn't want peace. This same process has been repeated several times, where "deals" were agreed to, only for the requirements/conditions to change coming from Bibi.

In the meantime, innocent women and children continue to die and it seems like no one cares.

Yep, this the reoccurring script for the last 9 months.  It's just pantomime.  Until all of Europe really digs in its heels nothing will change in Gaza.

[Shaka Shart]

At least Israel was distracted with the aid flotilla so the people in Gaza were able to go fishing and get some food without getting air struck

[Shaka Shart]

That's one way to phrase it

https://x.com/ap/status/1979889100770414881?s=46

[MU82]

That's one way to phrase it

https://x.com/ap/status/1979889100770414881?s=46

The peace deal already unraveling is obviously bad news. But the good news is that we're declaring war on woke U.S. cities.

[Billy Hoyle]

The peace deal already unraveling is obviously bad news. But the good news is that we're declaring war on woke U.S. cities.

and South American fishermen

[Uncle Rico]

and South American fishermen

War crimes aren't illegal anymore

[Billy Hoyle]

War crimes aren't illegal anymore

they are out there catching fish that good American fishermen would gladly catch.

[Uncle Rico]

they are out there catching fish that good American fishermen would gladly catch.

Scoopers that don't condemn these attacks on sovereign nations approve war crimes

[MuggsyB]

The peace deal already unraveling is obviously bad news. But the good news is that we're declaring war on woke U.S. cities.

Kudos to getting the remaining hostages, but there was a 1000% chance this was going to happen.  Pretty dumb to be taking victory dances and exclaiming "this hasn't happened in 3000 years" when you don't completely eliminate Hamas for starters.  I have many other thoughts but don't want to upset people. 

[The Sultan]

Kudos to getting the remaining hostages, but there was a 1000% chance this was going to happen.  Pretty dumb to be taking victory dances and exclaiming "this hasn't happened in 3000 years" when you don't completely eliminate Hamas for starters.  I have many other thoughts but don't want to upset people.

Since your observation are usually rather inane, I don't think you'd upset anyone.

[jesmu84]

No surprise Israel wasn't negotiating in good faith and never intended to commit to a ceasefire

[Uncle Rico]

No surprise Israel wasn't negotiating in good faith and never intended to commit to a ceasefire

As long as they have a war criminal leading their government, the ceasefire was never going to last.  Scoopers not condemning war crimes is rather shocking.

[MU82]

Kudos to getting the remaining hostages, but there was a 1000% chance this was going to happen.  Pretty dumb to be taking victory dances and exclaiming "this hasn't happened in 3000 years" when you don't completely eliminate Hamas for starters.  I have many other thoughts but don't want to upset people.

I have many other thoughts, too, but I don't want a Scoopcation. So I'll let your "pretty dumb" cover it.

[Scoop Snoop]

I have many other thoughts, too, but I don't want a Scoopcation. So I'll let your "pretty dumb" cover it.

FIFY

Muggsy has many things going on inside his head, but thoughts?   

 

[tower912]

I have many other thoughts, too, but I don't want a Scoopcation. So I'll let you're "pretty dumb" cover it.

FIFY

[Jay Bee]

As long as they have a war criminal leading their government, the ceasefire was never going to last.  Scoopers not condemning war crimes is rather shocking.

What's worse are crimes against this board's no politics policy. Shame on you!

[tower912]

Hypocrite.

[Uncle Rico]

What's worse are crimes against this board's no politics policy. Shame on you!

I'm worried about tax consequences

[Billy Hoyle]

Kudos to getting the remaining hostages, but there was a 1000% chance this was going to happen.  Pretty dumb to be taking victory dances and exclaiming "this hasn't happened in 3000 years" when you don't completely eliminate Hamas for starters.  I have many other thoughts but don't want to upset people.

It would have happened over a year ago if Dear Leader hadn't gotten to Bibi and told him to delay it (a la Reagan and the Iran hostages). 13 more hostages were killed in the interim. Winning!

[MUBurrow]

I'm pretty indifferent toward breaking the ceasefire - I don't think fracking Hamas was negotiating in any better faith than the Israelis.  Especially now that there are groups challenging them for local control. 

The obscene part is how Israel's cutting the flow of aid to civilians is now just part of its standard negotiating leverage. 

[Hards Alumni]

I'm pretty indifferent toward breaking the ceasefire - I don't think fracking Hamas was negotiating in any better faith than the Israelis.  Especially now that there are groups challenging them for local control. 

The obscene part is how Israel's cutting the flow of aid to civilians is now just part of its standard negotiating leverage. 

Eh, not exactly true.  Israel is the state belligerent here.  They have full control of what is happening.  Hamas is (likely) somewhat fractured due to the general state of Gaza.  Unilaterally deciding to break the ceasefire as the adult in the room because Hamas *might* break it at some point is a terrible precedent to set.  Why would anyone in the region trust Israel to keep its promises at this point?

I've said since this started that the long term plan is to invade Gaza, destroy everything, and ethnically cleanse the area so that the land is fully under Israeli control.  Nakba part two.

And once that is done, the same will be done to the West Bank.  You can count on it, as long as Netanyahu is in control.