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[Jockey]

We need a serious cleansing on both sides of the political aisle.

As long as Schumer and Jeffries are in charge, the Dems will get $0 dollars from me. Mean letters are not a stategery.

It's funny. Dems are more scared of the NYC results than the Rs. Let's blow up the old guard in '26. Hogg was 100% correct.

[Uncle Rico]

As long as Schumer and Jeffries are in charge, the Dems will get $0 dollars from me. Mean letters are not a stategery.

It's funny. Dems are more scared of the NYC results than the Rs. Let's blow up the old guard in '26. Hogg was 100% correct.

Giving them money is a waste.  Losers, all of them

[Hards Alumni]

OK,

Pardon my cynicism but:

1) The Iranians already blame us for the attacks Israel made on Iran. We're viewed by Iran as fighting a proxy war using Israel, just as they use Hezbollah and Hamas as a proxy to attack Israel.We were up to our eyeballs in Iranian hatred long before we bombed anything.

2) While it is debatable how far Iran was from actually building a functioning nuclear bomb, the fact is it was coming. You don't build a hardened shelter 300 feet under a mountain unless you're doing something you really want to protect -- and hide.

3) For the Iranians, diplomacy is a stalling technique. Yes, I'd like it to work as much as anyone in here. But I have a difficult time trusting the diplomacy of a country constantly screaming "Death to America" and "Death to Israel", all the while supporting Hamas and Hezbollah.

4) I said this before and I'll say it again: "If Iran gets the bomb, to where do you think it will be aimed?" And, for the record, the Iranians are not particularly popular with the rest of the Muslim Middle East.

Bottom Line: Between the U.S. and Israel, we set the Iranian bomb program back more than 20 years. Sure, Iran will be angry and they may try to retaliate, but if they do, the retribution that can be foisted on their country by the American military makes what Israel's done to date look like a fireworks show. I'm confident the Mullahs know this and will be extremely careful.

We cannot think of Iran -- or any part of the Middle East for that matter -- in American or Western terms. These are countries incapable of a pluralistic society. They're tribal and their culture is to see hatred in anyone who threatens their tribe. That's why all the peace initiatives, save one, haven't worked. 

Brain dead old political propaganda drilled into your head for 70 years.

1.  They should.  We provide material help to Israel because they're our defacto colony in the Middle East.  Plus, the US sort of overthrew their democratically elected secular government in the 50s, and then backed Saddam in the 80s... who used chemical weapons.

2. Can you blame them?  The US/Israel coalition has claimed that Iran is always two weeks away from having one.  And after signing an agreement to not create one, the US decided that deal wasn't good enough because it wasn't our Dear Leader's idea.  So, no deal, why wouldn't they enrich?  We've seen what happens when your a country without a nuke (Ukraine) when a belligerent power wants something.

3. Your lack of trust in them is because they chant, "Death to America" and "Death to Israel"?  I thought actions speak louder than words.  Has Iran directly attacked the USA?  Sure, there are proxies, but we use those too.  Plus, even this boomer figured it out.

4. Defensively.  They're not going to drop a nuclear weapon on Israel.  Don't be stupid.  Doing that would cause the country to be destroyed by everyone.  Not to mention, it is strictly forbidden to use a nuclear weapon offensively by Islam.

You've been spoon fed lies by the US government for decades.  They've wanted to "deal" with Iran since the Islamic Revolution because they're the lone hold out in the ME who had the audacity to throw off the yoke of Western Imperialism.  Having said that, I find the rule of the Iranian government to be autocratic, and in not so many words "not good", but I also find a lot of governments around the world to be "not good".  That doesn't mean we should be unilaterally bombing them.

[Hards Alumni]

Yes, I think if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other fkbags were stopped early a tremendous amount of lives would have been saved. 

What about Kennedy?  He started the Vietnam war that resulted in the lives of millions of civilians being snuffed out.  And then Johnson and Nixon continued.  Ford supported a genocide in Indonesia, and Carter as well.  Reagan had Iran-Iraq and he armed the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan.  Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA.  Literally every US President has participated or allowed lives to be lost.  That's the job.  They're all fkbags who should have been stopped... your definition, not mine.

[Hards Alumni]

Nope. I am a student of history. It's simple to blame one person because people want to personify evil into one character. But in reality, people like Hitler are representative of larger dynamics at play within a nation at large. Sure a charasmatic figure can take advantage of that or push it further, but getting rid of that leader rarely makes the underlying society change.

Wait until some of these guys learn who we collaborated with after WWII.  Not to mention, we were nearly an ally of Nazi Germany in the late 30s and early 40s.  We didn't work very hard to Denazify Germany. Operation Paperclip?  Certainly, no one should look up these names:

Adolf Heusinger - Chairman of NATO
Klaus Barbie - US CIC
I could go on and on, but here is another list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germans_relocated_to_the_US_via_the_Operation_Paperclip

[Shaka Shart]

Brain dead old political propaganda drilled into your head for 70 years.

1.  They should.  We provide material help to Israel because they're our defacto colony in the Middle East.  Plus, the US sort of overthrew their democratically elected secular government in the 50s, and then backed Saddam in the 80s... who used chemical weapons.

2. Can you blame them?  The US/Israel coalition has claimed that Iran is always two weeks away from having one.  And after signing an agreement to not create one, the US decided that deal wasn't good enough because it wasn't our Dear Leader's idea.  So, no deal, why wouldn't they enrich?  We've seen what happens when your a country without a nuke (Ukraine) when a belligerent power wants something.

3. Your lack of trust in them is because they chant, "Death to America" and "Death to Israel"?  I thought actions speak louder than words.  Has Iran directly attacked the USA?  Sure, there are proxies, but we use those too.  Plus, even this boomer figured it out.

4. Defensively.  They're not going to drop a nuclear weapon on Israel.  Don't be stupid.  Doing that would cause the country to be destroyed by everyone.  Not to mention, it is strictly forbidden to use a nuclear weapon offensively by Islam.

You've been spoon fed lies by the US government for decades.  They've wanted to "deal" with Iran since the Islamic Revolution because they're the lone hold out in the ME who had the audacity to throw off the yoke of Western Imperialism.  Having said that, I find the rule of the Iranian government to be autocratic, and in not so many words "not good", but I also find a lot of governments around the world to be "not good".  That doesn't mean we should be unilaterally bombing them.

Hadn't seen that video before. That is really good.

[Shaka Shart]

Ope

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/magazine/benjamin-netanyahu-gaza-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.k78y.0eMbNotFcozC&smid=url-share

[Jockey]

Ope

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/magazine/benjamin-netanyahu-gaza-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.k78y.0eMbNotFcozC&smid=url-share

Reminders of the hostage crisis in 1980.

[Jockey]

Israeli settlers beat a 20-year-old American to death while another man was fatally shot during a violent confrontation in the occupied West Bank on Friday.

[Uncle Rico]

Well, I guess we know what side Elmo is on

[Shaka Shart]

When did Elmo move to Mequon?

[GB Warrior]

When did Elmo move to Mequon?

Lives next to Novak

[Billy Hoyle]

Ope

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/magazine/benjamin-netanyahu-gaza-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.k78y.0eMbNotFcozC&smid=url-share

few leaders have squandered the amount of goodwill they had across the globe as Netanyahu has.

[NCMUFan]

Muggs 20-point peace plan is in the works.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/netanyahu-trump-set-meet-pressure-040620036.html

[MU82]

4x as good (or as dopey) as Muggsy's.

[MuggsyB]

Muggs 20-point peace plan is in the works.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/netanyahu-trump-set-meet-pressure-040620036.html

This isn't my plan. 

[Shaka Shart]

This isn't my plan. 

source?

[MU82]

"This can be done the easy way or it can be done the hard way," said Bibi, who apparently thinks that he's Brendan Carr and that Jimmy Kimmel runs Hamas.

Also, the implied "or else" to the whole deal is that Bibi will continue to starve and/or massacre Palestinian kids. As if Hamas leadership cares.

[forgetful]

I notice the 20-point plan has no guarantees that Israel won't annex the West Bank. It is also exceedingly vague on important terms and concepts.

[MU82]

This week's John Oliver is all about Bibi. Highly recommend.

[Uncle Rico]

If you can do three pull ups, you will be allowed to join the military.

[GB Warrior]

If you can do three pull ups, you will be allowed to join the military.

Used to be you needed to be able to dunk.

Or at least be willing to dunk brown people in water. 

[MU82]

[Scoop Snoop]

This isn't my plan. 

Of course it's not!

1) It is not a secret 5-point plan that no one here gives a rat's ass about except to mock your presumptuousness.

2) While it is a plan by someone who shares quite a few "personality" characteristics with you, it has-for better or worse-a chance of being implemented. Unlike you living in your fantasy world, he actually is in charge.

3) The plan has a worldwide audience, something that is another of your fantasies.

[GB Warrior]

This is going to make Fetterman support Israel harder