RIP Pope Francis

[WellsstreetWanderer]

They just want to hate and have an excuse to hate.

Not the ones destroying Teslas

[Uncle Rico]

Not the ones destroying Teslas

What about Chicago?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I have no idea what you are referring to
But one exception, if so , does not make a rebuttal

[Uncle Rico]

I have no idea what you are referring to
But one exception, if so , does not make a rebuttal

I'm not sure what Teslas had to do with American Catholics just wanting to hate and have an excuse to hate

[The Sultan]

I'm not sure what Teslas had to do with American Catholics just wanting to hate and have an excuse to hate

Listen buddy, we all know that if Jesus were alive today, that he would ride into Jerusalem on a Cyber Truck and that by the end of the week, Pilate would be the one on the cross and Jesus would be on the throne. Riding on donkeys and getting crucified is for the weak.

[Warriors4ever]

Raymond Burke once blamed 'radical feminism' for pedophile priests and objected to girls being altar servers. No thank you, to him and his ilk.

[pbiflyer]

I don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up.  I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican.  Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created.  And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals.  I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.

May God have mercy on his soul.

"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/

Yeah, can you imagine the audacity of actually following Jesus's teachings?
That certainly is anti-Catholic.
 What the heck was he thinking caring about all people not judging least he be judge
Thank God, you were able to judge him. Blonde haired blue eyed Jesus would be proud. The real Jesus not so much.

[Billy Hoyle]

Honest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.

[The Sultan]

Honest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.

It's just part of the whole trad fad. Somehow life was better when the mass was in Latin and no one questioned what the priests were doing with the alter boys.

And its not limited to Catholics. Martin Luther started translating the mass into German 500 years ago because he thought it would be more meaningful in a language people actually understood. But there are a whole bunch of Lutheran churches that still did their services in German up until just a few decades ago - and some wish they would return.

(If you see Lutheran churches named something like "First English" they broke away because they wanted to do their services in English. Strange huh?)

[Hards Alumni]

Honest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.

I'm in the same boat, but my read is that any movement away from the old ways is seen as a journey away from traditional Catholicism.  Which is the thing that is killing Catholicism.

A lot of people worship at the altar of nostalgia.  They remember the good things, but ignore all of the bad stuff. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Thank you both for the replies.

I recently attended Mass a few times with my wife and noticed wording had changed from when I would attend the 10 pm Sunday masses at the AMU. Are people in arms over that, too?

The strangest Mass I ever attended was out in Hartland for an Easter Mass back in college. The priest sang the entire mass. A lot of looks of confusion from the congregation that day.

[Uncle Rico]

Honest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.

The trad fad is wild to me because the history of the papacy and Vatican is awful.  Anyone that would study the history of the church itself would understand that.  The few good popes in history were almost always undone by years of nepotism popes and acquiescing to the political and militaristic winds of Europe.

The only consistency of the church has been its inconsistency.  I'm not sure what people are longing for.

[tower912]

Never found the appeal of the Latin mass. 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Thank you both for the replies.

I recently attended Mass a few times with my wife and noticed wording had changed from when I would attend the 10 pm Sunday masses at the AMU. Are people in arms over that, too?

The strangest Mass I ever attended was out in Hartland for an Easter Mass back in college. The priest sang the entire mass. A lot of looks of confusion from the congregation that day.

Under JPII or Benedict (I don't remember), they authorized scholarly "retranslation from the original".  There was a multi-year effort for a group of scholars to better translate from the original Latin/Greek so wording from parts of the mass sound different.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Offer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting

[The Sultan]

Offer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting

At every parish? How popular do you think the Latin mass actually is?

[Pakuni]

Offer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting

Problem is, the Latin Mass only appeals to a tiny fraction of Catholics ... something like 0.4% attend Latin Mass weekly.

[cheebs09]

How many priests know the Latin mass?

[MU82]

How many priests know the Latin mass?

69

(Sh!t ... I've been reading Rico for too long.)

[jutaw22mu]

At every parish? How popular do you think the Latin mass actually is?

At the parishes that would want to offer it.  The point is it should be accessible to people who would like to participate in the TLM.

[Pakuni]

At the parishes that would want to offer it.  The point is it should be accessible to people who would like to participate in the TLM.

Define accessible.

[Uncle Rico]

I like Lindsey Graham's suggestion of new pope.  Count me in

[noblewarrior]

Quick AI search results on TLM in Milwaukee...

 In Milwaukee, WI, the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is offered at the following locations based on available information:

1. **St. Stanislaus Church** 
   - **Address**: 524 W Historic Mitchell St, Milwaukee, WI 53204 
   - **Details**: Administered by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, which emphasizes the TLM. The Latin Mass continues as scheduled, with priests required to inform the bishop of their intent to celebrate it and explain the circumstances.[](https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248456/do-we-have-a-latin-mass-us-bishops-continue-to-respond-to-traditionis-custodes)
   - **Website**: https://www.institute-christ-king.org/milwaukee-home

2. **St. Hugh of Lincoln Roman Catholic Church** 
   - **Address**: Not specified in the provided data, but known as a home for TLM in Milwaukee. 
   - **Details**: This church exclusively offers the Traditional Latin Mass, adhering to pre-Vatican II teachings and customs. Masses are live-streamed on their YouTube channel, and they emphasize a uncompromising traditional Catholic experience.[](https://www.sainthugh.org/)
   - **Website**: https://www.sainthugh.org/

**Additional Notes**:
- Historically, the TLM faced restrictions in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, especially under Archbishop Rembert Weakland post-Vatican II, leading to Masses being held in non-church venues like event halls. However, the situation has improved, and the above locations are now established for TLM.[](https://onepeterfive.com/growing-up-underground-latin-mass/)
- For the most current Mass times, check the respective church websites or contact them directly, as schedules can change. The Tridentine Mass Society of Madison also provides resources for finding TLM in Wisconsin, though it focuses on the Madison diocese.[](https://latinmassmadison.org/)

[dgies9156]

Raymond Burke once blamed 'radical feminism' for pedophile priests and objected to girls being altar servers. No thank you, to him and his ilk.

Cardinal Burke as Pope would be enough for me to become Protestant.

Hard stop.

If somehow he makes it -- and I like to believe an earlier poster than even I would have a better chance of becoming Pope than Cardinal Burke -- then it's either Lutherans or Episcopalians for me. A Burke-run Catholic Church would basically end the American church as we know it.

[Warriors4ever]

I hope Timothy Dolan is completely embarrassed by would-be Pope Trump shilling for him...