2025 MLB Season

[Uncle Rico]

Fair enough. Ignore my lies. The facts are the White Sox have an great history, Reinsdorf if an excellent owner and Getz's resume is impeccable.

You said the system was bottom third.  It isn't

[WhiteTrash]

You said the system was bottom third.  It isn't

So one debatable assertion represents a "cornucopia of misinformation"?

[Uncle Rico]

So one debatable assertion represents a "cornucopia of misinformation"?

No, your posting history suggests that

[cheebs09]

Miz is for a leg bruise. Hopefully just saving the arm.

I wonder if Murph gave him a light kick to the shin to help manage innings.

[tower912]

I hope he heals quickly and fully.  Do not rush him back and let him fiddle with his mechanics.  Rookie phenoms, particularly spectacular arms, are too valuable.

[Pakuni]

Fair enough. Ignore my lies. The facts are the White Sox have an great history, Reinsdorf is an excellent owner and Getz's resume is impeccable.

I get that being a dark cloud over all things Reinsdorf is your jam, and much of it is justified. But don't reflexively sh*t over everything.

Getz's resume? OK, let's talk about that.

When he was hired, the Sox had the 30th ranked farm system in the league, per MLB Pipleline. In Pipeline's most recent rankings, the Sox placed 6th. That's a massive rebuild of the system in less than two years.

He's completely gutted the baseball operations staff, pushing out Jerry's cronies and bringing in respected guys from other organizations (Brian Bannister from the Giants, Ryan Fuller from the O's, Josh Barfield from Arizona, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from the Royals, etc.)

His hiring of Will Venable was universally praised - when was the last time you could say that about a White Sox move? - and seems to be paying off so far. The team has more wins on Aug. 2 than they did all of last year, despite assurances from some Scoopers (ahem) that the roster is much worse.

He got an absolute haul for Crochet, which includes two under-25 players already making an impact in the majors and another who has risen into the top 25ish in the prospect rankings (Law has him 21st; Pipeline has him 26th).

He's picked several players up off the trash heap on cheap, low-risk deals (Fedde, Slater, Houser, etc.) and flipped them for usable assets.

So, in review, the farm system is way better, the major league product is much improved, the manager is light years better and the front office has been overhauled with well-regarded people from outside the organization replacing Jerry's guys.

Will this turn the Sox into legit contenders? No idea. But Getz seems to be running a professional organization and has them trending in the right direction across the board.

What's your issue with all this?

[Jockey]

Your forgot to say that they have passed one team in the standings since last year.

[Pakuni]

Your forgot to say that they have passed one team in the standings since last year.

This is a remarkably dumb take.

[WhiteTrash]

I get that being a dark cloud over all things Reinsdorf is your jam, and much of it is justified. But don't  reflexively sh*t over everything.

Getz's resume? OK, let's talk about that.

When he was hired, the Sox had the 30th ranked farm system in the league, per MLB Pipleline. In Pipeline's most recent rankings, the Sox placed 6th. That's a massive rebuild of the system in less than two years.

He's completely gutted the baseball operations staff, pushing out Jerry's cronies and bringing in respected guys from other organizations (Brian Bannister from the Giants, Ryan Fuller from the O's, Josh Barfield from Arizona, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from the Royals, etc.)

His hiring of Will Venable was universally praised - when was the last time you could say that about a White Sox move? - and seems to be paying off so far. The team has more wins on Aug. 2 than they did all of last year, despite assurances from some Scoopers (ahem) that the roster is much worse.

He got an absolute haul for Crochet, which includes two under-25 players already making an impact in the majors and another who has risen into the top 25ish in the prospect rankings (Law has him 21st; Pipeline has him 26th).

He's picked several players up off the trash heap on cheap, low-risk deals (Fedde, Slater, Houser, etc.) and flipped them for usable assets.

So, in review, the farm system is way better, the major league product is much improved, the manager is light years better and the front office has been overhauled with well-regarded people from outside the organization replacing Jerry's guys.

Will this turn the Sox into legit contenders? No idea. But Getz seems to be running a professional organization and has them trending in the right direction across the board.

What's your issue with all this?

Those are all fair points.

Getz's resume comment was referring to his resume prior to getting the GM post. He was the man in charge of the 30th ranked minor league system and player development. His hiring was panned way more than Venable's hiring was praised.

I agree that Getz has preformed better than his resume would suggest. And to repeat, I did say that they are on a trajectory from the worst in MLB history to a .500 team.

As I confessed, maybe I'm influenced by multiple data points in CWS history, I just think the Sox are not looking like a World Series contender any time soon. If predicting the Sox will only become a respectable .500 team is "reflexively sh*t over everything", then so be it.

[tower912]

How many teams are 'World Series Contenders' in a given season?  I agree that the White Sox aren't close to that right now.  Where was Detroit 2 seasons ago?  Or 13 months ago?  Where was Minnesota 13 months ago?

The White Sox hit rock bottom and are in a rebuild.

[Pakuni]

Those are all fair points.

Getz's resume comment was referring to his resume prior to getting the GM post. He was the man in charge of the 30th ranked minor league system and player development. His hiring was panned way more than Venable's hiring was praised.

I agree that Getz has preformed better than his resume would suggest. And to repeat, I did say that they are on a trajectory from the worst in MLB history to a .500 team.

As I confessed, maybe I'm influenced by multiple data points in CWS history, I just think the Sox are not looking like a World Series contender any time soon. If predicting the Sox will only become a respectable .500 team is "reflexively sh*t over everything", then so be it.

Your skepticism of all things Reinsdorf is completely reasonable.

But if you can step away from that for a moment and see what's happening organizationally, there are positive signs.The front office/baseball operations staff is behaving like a competent group with a plan, which is something we haven't seen in 15 years. Not sure what else we could expect at this point.
Maybe that means they still top out as a .500 club. I don't know. If you can project how a bunch of 24-year-old and under baseball players are going to perform 3 to 5 years from now, you're in the wrong business.

[18thandWells]

How many teams are 'World Series Contenders' in a given season?  I agree that the White Sox aren't close to that right now.

I come here for the hot takes.

[WhiteTrash]

Your skepticism of all things Reinsdorf is completely reasonable.

But if you can step away from that for a moment and see what's happening organizationally, there are positive signs.The front office/baseball operations staff is behaving like a competent group with a plan, which is something we haven't seen in 15 years. Not sure what else we could expect at this point.
Maybe that means they still top out as a .500 club. I don't know. If you can project how a bunch of 24-year-old and under baseball players are going to perform 3 to 5 years from now, you're in the wrong business.

I agree that there are better things happening. I read an article last off-season that said or quoted someone declaring the Sox analytics now looks like most major league teams from 5 years ago, up from looking like something from 20 years ago.

While far from being guaranteed, the development of the young guys and a new owner in 3-5 years is something to be excited for.

[Jockey]

Your skepticism of all things Reinsdorf is completely reasonable.

But if you can step away from that for a moment and see what's happening organizationally, there are positive signs.The front office/baseball operations staff is behaving like a competent group with a plan, which is something we haven't seen in 15 years. Not sure what else we could expect at this point.
Maybe that means they still top out as a .500 club. I don't know. If you can project how a bunch of 24-year-old and under baseball players are going to perform 3 to 5 years from now, you're in the wrong business.

I agree with this. But it was such an incompetent operation that it is at least a full 5 year rebuild. And that will only occur if Reinsdorf is gone.

[Pakuni]

I agree with this. But it was such an incompetent operation that it is at least a full 5 year rebuild. And that will only occur if Reinsdorf is gone.

Maybe. We'll see.
But as you recognize here, this is a rebuild. Which is why the number of teams they're ahead of in the standings is pretty much meaningless. They're better off winning less at this point and getting a top pick in what's shaping up to be a very good draft next year, at least at the top.
(Also, I was unnecessarily harsh in my last response to you. Apologies).

Colson Montgomery has been on a 45 home run, 143 149 RBI pace since being called up. Is that good?

[cheebs09]

Brewers offense continuing to limp along.

[Jockey]

Maybe. We'll see.
But as you recognize here, this is a rebuild. Which is why the number of teams they're ahead of in the standings is pretty much meaningless. They're better off winning less at this point and getting a top pick in what's shaping up to be a very good draft next year, at least at the top.
(Also, I was unnecessarily harsh in my last response to you. Apologies).

Colson Montgomery has been on a 45 home run, 143 149 RBI pace since being called up. Is that good?

No need to apologize- I love the back and forth.

[Uncle Rico]

The Nationals look like a team that can't wait until the final out of the season

[Shaka Shart]

I come here for the hot takes.

*bring them

[Shaka Shart]

Maybe. We'll see.
But as you recognize here, this is a rebuild. Which is why the number of teams they're ahead of in the standings is pretty much meaningless. They're better off winning less at this point and getting a top pick in what's shaping up to be a very good draft next year, at least at the top.
(Also, I was unnecessarily harsh in my last response to you. Apologies).

Colson Montgomery has been on a 45 home run, 143 149 RBI pace since being called up. Is that good?

They're still in last place so I'm not allowed to answer

[GB Warrior]

Brice Turang and Blake Perkins are the Power bats that Brewers needed

[Shaka Shart]

Brice Turang and Blake Perkins are the Power bats that Brewers needed

Not now, we are nitpicking prospects

[18thandWells]

They're still in last place so I'm not allowed to answer

They are? How many games are they behind the 14-worst team in the American League?

[18thandWells]

*bring them

Two years after the lockout the White Sox will kick ass. Let's hope TLR is around to manage.

[Shaka Shart]

Two years after the lockout the White Sox will kick ass. Let's hope TLR is around to manage.

Thank you sir may I have another