2025 MLB Season

[#UnleashSean]

Here's what factually correct: Wrigley is a dump. AFF is not a dump. Pretty simple.

I see that marquette education was wasted. Hopefully you got it when it was cheap! 

[GB Warrior]

Can we all agree that the Cubs and the Brewers have the worst two stadiums in the division?

I'm partial to a downtown stadium and thus think PNC outpaces a place like AFF everyday but the amenities available at AFF make Wrigley look like an El Salvadoran prison

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Why? Wrigley's a dump.

It is not.  When was the last time you were there?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Can we all agree that the Cubs and the Brewers have the worst two stadiums in the division?

I'm partial to a downtown stadium and thus think PNC outpaces a place like AFF everyday but the amenities available at AFF make Wrigley look like an El Salvadoran prison

A friend of mine from Texas (but originally from Boston) flew into Chicago to visit a friend who lives in Chicago and go to Red Sox Cubs at Wrigley. I went down to see him. The Red Sox fan asked the Cubs fan what food Wrigley was known for. The Cub fan was so confused. He didn't understand why anyone would ever intentionally eat at a baseball game

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Can we all agree that the Cubs and the Brewers have the worst two stadiums in the division?

I'm partial to a downtown stadium and thus think PNC outpaces a place like AFF everyday but the amenities available at AFF make Wrigley look like an El Salvadoran prison

Absolutely not.  I have not been to PNC but have heard great things so I won't argue that opinion.  As far as Busch and Great American Ballpark, no way. 

As for AFF, I've been there a bunch of times.  Always a good time but not sure what these great amenities are that you're referencing.  It's also a cookie cutter park devoid of personality in the middle of a parking lot. 

[The Sultan]

It is not.  When was the last time you were there?

Fiveish years ago.

It's a dump surrounded by an overpriced neighborhood.

[The Sultan]

As for AFF, I've been there a bunch of times.  Always a good time but not sure what these great amenities are that you're referencing.  It's also a cookie cutter park devoid of personality in the middle of a parking lot. 

At least it's not a dump that smells of urine.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Fiveish years ago.

It's a dump surrounded by an overpriced neighborhood.

At least it's not a dump that smells of urine.

It is 100%  objectively not a dump post-renovation.

Better a neighborhood with plenty of food and entertainment options than.....nothing.

Maybe you're the one that smells like urine as it certainly isn't Wrigley. 

[The Sultan]

It is 100%  objectively not a dump post-renovation.

Better a neighborhood with plenty of food and entertainment options than.....nothing.

Maybe you're the one that smells like urine as it certainly isn't Wrigley. 

I have a discerning sense of smell.

Wrigley is a dump and its neighborhood is expensive and overrated.

Sorry if this bothers you but the truth must be told. AFF is a much better venue to watch a game.

[Pakuni]

I have a discerning sense of smell.

Wrigley is a dump and its neighborhood is expensive and overrated.

Sorry if this bothers you but the truth must be told. AFF is a much better venue to watch a game.

If boring, sterile and vast swaths of parking is your thing, AFF is the place to be.

[The Sultan]

If boring, sterile and vast swaths of parking is your thing, AFF is the place to be.

I will admit the setting isn't the best, but the in-stadium experience is way better than the dump that is Wrigley.

[Shaka Shart]

Wrigley is a lot nicer than it used to be and a great experience to catch a game at for any baseball fan.

It's still a claustrophobic mess excused by its history and the updated modern amenities they are putting around it look super out of place.

[The Sultan]

Wrigley is a lot nicer than it used to be and a great experience to catch a game at for any baseball fan.

For the baseball fan, Wrigley and Fenway are great reminders that most of MLB has moved on from similar dumps and into better parks for a reason.

[GB Warrior]

Absolutely not.  I have not been to PNC but have heard great things so I won't argue that opinion.  As far as Busch and Great American Ballpark, no way. 

As for AFF, I've been there a bunch of times.  Always a good time but not sure what these great amenities are that you're referencing.  It's also a cookie cutter park devoid of personality in the middle of a parking lot. 

Won't argue you on personality if AFF. It's a concrete fortress. But better food, better drinks, more easily accessible. And for those that care about these things, better family environment and entertainment value.

Plus the racing sausages are part of the personality. Does Chicago have the racing handguns?

[Pakuni]

I will admit the setting isn't the best, but the in-stadium experience is way better than the dump that is Wrigley.

What are you labeling the "in-stadium" experience?
If you mean bathrooms, concessions, gift shops and seeing how fast your heater is these days, yeah, just about anything is better than Wrigley.
If you mean the actual experience of watching a baseball game surrounded by fellow fans, Wrigley is no worse than any other park I've been to and in many ways better.
And while you may think Wrigleyville overrated, and perhaps it is, I find a neighborhood of restaurants and bars a more appealing environment than acres of concrete and an interstate.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This argument is reminding me of when ESPN tried to do "Battle of the Ballparks." A tournament where fan votes over multiple rounds decided the best ballpark in America. Brewers fans flooded it and Miller Park won the whole thing as a 24 seed, beating Camden, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, and AT&T on the way.

IIRC the author started by being amused, then annoyed,  and then had an angry rant on Twitter or in ESPN comments about Brewers fans having nothing to better to do than ruin his piece. Which just spurned people on more. He had to write an article praising Miller Park

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8084525/battle-ballparks-miller-park-defeats-att-park

They never tried this again lol

[Pakuni]

Plus the racing sausages are part of the personality. Does Chicago have the racing handguns?

Now now ... you really don't want to compare violent crime rates between Milwaukee and Chicago, do you?

[The Sultan]

What are you labeling the "in-stadium" experience?
If you mean bathrooms, concessions, gift shops and seeing how fast your heater is these days, yeah, just about anything is better than Wrigley.
If you mean the actual experience of watching a baseball game surrounded by fellow fans, Wrigley is no worse than any other park I've been to and in many ways better.
And while you may think Wrigleyville overrated, and perhaps it is, I find a neighborhood of restaurants and bars a more appealing environment than acres of concrete and an interstate.

Watching an actual baseball game in Wrigley is like watching an actual baseball game in a dump.

[The Sultan]

This argument is reminding me of when ESPN tried to do "Battle of the Ballparks." A tournament where fan votes over multiple rounds decided the best ballpark in America. Brewers fans flooded it and Miller Park won the whole thing as a 24 seed, beating Camden, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, and AT&T on the way.

IIRC the author started by being amused, then annoyed,  and then had an angry rant on Twitter or in ESPN comments about Brewers fans having nothing to better to do than ruin his piece. Which just spurned people on more. He had to write an article praising Miller Park

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8084525/battle-ballparks-miller-park-defeats-att-park

They never tried this again lol

I am not so provincial to believe that AFF is the best ballpark out there - I haven't been to enough to really know.

But I do know that Wrigley is a dump.

[GB Warrior]

Now now ... you really don't want to compare violent crime rates between Milwaukee and Chicago, do you?

If you extend it to the suburbs you'll find a lot more dentists in Chicago

[Pakuni]

If you extend it to the suburbs you'll find a lot more dentists in Chicago

Fair point.
But you probably have a better chance of avoiding one from Marquette's dental school.

[Shaka Shart]

Lamenting the concrete wastelands of tailgating parking lots is a bit unfair. Brewers and white Sox (occasionally) pregame culture is the tailgate, something you really cannot do in that manner in wrigleyville where it's bar hopping, bowling/arcade indoors, or gambling away your kids Marquette tuition.

[Shaka Shart]

Now now ... you really don't want to compare violent crime rates between Milwaukee and Chicago, do you?

Chicago counts the clouds flying bullets as part of their air quality measurement and that exempts it from crime stats.

[JWags85]

Wrigley is a lot nicer than it used to be and a great experience to catch a game at for any baseball fan.

It's still a claustrophobic mess excused by its history and the updated modern amenities they are putting around it look super out of place.

This is pretty spot on, and I'm a Cubs fan.  The renovation did A LOT to make it less of a mess.  Its a great historic park that is a nice place to watch a game.  Its not a gleaming modern marvel, but its not an aging pile buffered only by history like it was.

That being said, the renovation and change to the neighborhood, especially immediately to the West across Clark, has cheapened some of the historic appeal.

Also, you can make arguments comparing Wrigley and AFF, new and old, ameneties vs history, etc...but please drop the nonsense that both trail Great American in Cincinnati.  Its basically the same age as AFF, and while its not that its on the river, it doesn't really play into the park at all and its as generic of a ballpark as you can get.  AFF has far more quirks and character from Milwaukee and its beer culture than Great American does.  Ive seen probably a dozen games over the years at Great American and literally nothing there has ever stood out.

[Uncle Rico]

The Cardinals suck