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HutchwasClutch

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 08:36:55 AMSeattle/Toronto should be an excellent series.  But again, it's vital the Brewers win today. 

Really concerned Cubs momentum is unstoppable now.  Hope it was more a Wrigley Field thing.  Just can't keep giving up the long ball. I believe 12 of Cubs 16 runs have been scored that way. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2025, 08:32:30 AMSkubal has already had Tommy John surgery (2016), and UCL tendon surgery (2022).  You can use all of the alternative facts and projections you want, but he is simply not a 120 pitch pitcher.  He never has been.

32 regular season starts.  195 innings.  Do the math.  He is a 6 inning starter.

Muggsy doesn't live in reality
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

tower912

Sandy Koufax retired at 30 due to elbow problems.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2025, 08:49:09 AMSandy Koufax retired at 30 due to elbow problems.

Because he was soft
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2025, 07:32:37 AMDetroit had to choose between Kahnle, Rafael Montero, Hurter, or Hanifee. There was no good choice. 

Who would you have pinch hit for, when, and with whom?  I might have had Jones pinch hit for Keith.  I might have started Jones over Keith.  Other than that...Sweeney?  Rogers? Perez?  Ibanez?  When?

Jones for sure, in extras when Keith came up with men on, and any of the others would have been better than Keith wad this series.

I thought Flaherty could have gone one more inning too.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2025, 08:49:09 AMSandy Koufax retired at 30 due to elbow problems.

He did okay, Tower. 

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 08:43:22 AMMuggsy doesn't live in reality

If the math is "unacceptable" to Muggsy, it is simply wrong.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

tower912

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 11, 2025, 08:51:29 AMJones for sure, in extras when Keith came up with men on, and any of the others would have been better than Keith wad this series.

I thought Flaherty could have gone one more inning too.
Agree on Jones v Keith.  Flaherty is a coin flip.  The third inning was frequently his downfall this season.  And he had been in and out of trouble.  But, I see your point.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2025, 08:53:55 AMIf the math is "unacceptable" to Muggsy, it is simply wrong.

The math is irrelevant. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2025, 08:53:55 AMIf the math is "unacceptable" to Muggsy, it is simply wrong.

I wish I lived in a fantasyland like Muggsy, devoid of reason, common sense and knowledge
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

Scoop Snoop

Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

tower912

Hence, my use of the ignore feature.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB


MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 09:00:29 AMI wish I lived in a fantasyland like Muggsy, devoid of reason, common sense and knowledge

All of you have the same playbook and it's a losing formula.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:07:26 AMAll of you have the same playbook and it's a losing formula.

Thanks, Mr. Magoo
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 09:11:17 AMThanks, Mr. Magoo

Don't blame me for being angry about everything.  I truly feel for your predicament and wish you well. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:30:13 AMDon't blame me for being angry about everything.  I truly feel for your predicament and wish you well. 

None of that changes the fact the decision to remove Skubal didn't cost Detroit the game last night.
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 09:31:25 AMNone of that changes the fact the decision to remove Skubal didn't cost Detroit the game last night.

In my opinion, it did.  The fact that you  disagree is no reason to go completely off the rails.  And when you and others do, it's always rather weak personal attacks.  Maybe engage in some introspection or just deal with things a little better. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:36:41 AMIn my opinion, it did.  The fact that you  disagree is no reason to go completely off the rails.  And when you and others do, it's always rather weak personal attacks.  Maybe engage in some introspection or just deal with things a little better. 

The irony, is so deep, it's a hole to infinity and beyond
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 09:38:52 AMThe irony, is so deep, it's a hole to infinity and beyond

I can go off the rails but I never personally attack anyone here.. 

tower912

Much like the 24-25 MU season, Detroit's baseball season was impacted by undisclosed injuries.  Gleyber Torres revealed he has been playing with a sports hernia for the second half of the season.  No wonder his hitting fell off and he became the one guy on the team not taking extra bases.

So, the eternal debate, did he do more harm than good playing through it?  Who would Detroit have brought up in his stead?  Second baseman is particularly stocked in the Tigers' farm system.  Could an unproven rookie have been an upgrade?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:42:13 AMI can go off the rails but I never personally attack anyone here.. 


Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:30:13 AMDon't blame me for being angry about everything.  I truly feel for your predicament and wish you well. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:07:26 AMAll of you have the same playbook and it's a losing formula.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2025, 09:03:42 AMThen why are you unhinged?


Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Uncle Rico


To infinity and beyond!
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2025, 09:31:25 AMNone of that changes the fact the decision to remove Skubal didn't cost Detroit the game last night.

Correct. As much as I thought he should have come out for the 7th it wasn't an indefensible decision. I was confident in Finn, but that damn walk came back to bite him.

IMO, the difference in the game was the Mariners and their ability to take and foul off pitches. The Tigers threw at least 50 more pitches. Making Skubal throw 99 in six innings was got him out of there before the 7th
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

tower912

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 11, 2025, 10:13:40 AMCorrect. As much as I thought he should have come out for the 7th it wasn't an indefensible decision. I was confident in Finn, but that damn walk came back to bite him.

IMO, the difference in the game was the Mariners and their ability to take and foul off pitches. The Tigers threw at least 50 more pitches. Making Skubal throw 99 in six innings was got him out of there before the 7th
Yes to this.  It reminded me of the playoffs series of the teens when Boston would foul off everything from Verlander, Scherzer, Price, run up their pitch counts, and feast on the Tiger bullpen.   

Seattle fouling off so many pitches cost Skubal an inning.  However, the bottom line is still if you don't hit, you don't win.   Far more impactful than whether Skubal went 6 or 7 is the combined stats of hitters 2-5.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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