How did the offense perform vs. your expectations?

[WolfganghisKhan]

I still think Gold plays in the NBA.  Shaka was one of those who thought Caedin would play a legit role this year.  Said so about a year ago when he said Caedin could have helped the 23-24 team.

And you're both wrong.

[tower912]

Ben is still TBD.   

[BM1090]

Gold definitely still has the potential. I'm less certain than ever that he'll reach it, but it's there.

[Johnny B]

Math is hard for some people.  Yourself included, I guess.

Where tf is the Math tough guy

[MuMark]

Id say it's the opposite. We had people in here thinking Ben Gold is a legit NBA player and Caedin Hamilton would play a legit role this year.

We run a Moreyball offense with people who can't shoot 3s. Genius level offense.

You mean that same offense that was 7th best in the country in 23 and 21st in 24?

The 2 main guys who struggled shooting 3s this year had proven they were good 3 point shooters in the first 3 years of their careers........it easy to bitch and whine when things don't turn out like we hope......that doesn't mean the strategy was wrong.....only that it didn't work.

Somebody doesn't always have to be to blame .........

[tower912]

Id say it's the opposite. We had people in here thinking Ben Gold is a legit NBA player and Caedin Hamilton would play a legit role this year.

We run a Moreyball offense with people who can't shoot 3s. Genius level offense.

BTW, what is a 'Moreyball' offense.  One that makes you say 'Amster-damn' after a miss?  One that just doesn't eel right?

[Jay Bee]

Our ft% needs to be better. I'd allot at least 30% out of practice time to practicing the granny shot bc that may work better for some.

The Keeyan boomerang will bring us back to the FF!

[tower912]

Our ft% needs to be better. I'd allot at least 30% out of practice time to practicing the granny shot bc that may work better for some.

The Keeyan boomerang will bring us back to the FF!

Brilliant.

[panda2.0]

Math is hard for some people.  Yourself included, I guess.

Is three truly greater than two if you miss around 70% of shots worth 3 points?

[ATL MU Warrior]

Is three truly greater than two if you miss around 70% of shots worth 3 points?

Is a wild out of control layup that has zero chance of going in better than a floater or short jumper?

[Pakuni]

BTW, what is a 'Moreyball' offense.  One that makes you say 'Amster-damn' after a miss?  One that just doesn't eel right?

https://www.theringer.com/2016/12/08/nba/under-the-influence-of-moreyball-1ea4ba34b85c

[panda2.0]

Is a wild out of control layup that has zero chance of going in better than a floater or short jumper?

A lot of those wild uncontrolled layups from our offensive scheme came this year because teams know

1 - we can't shoot the 3
2 - we won't take a shot anywhere except at the rim.

The scheme is very easy to guard when you don't have great ball movement and perimeter shooting. We had neither this year which led to struggles at the rim.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Is three truly greater than two if you miss around 70% of shots worth 3 points?

There is one variable missing in your math problem. If you provide that, we can tell you.

[ATL MU Warrior]

A lot of those wild uncontrolled layups from our offensive scheme came this year because teams know

1 - we can't shoot the 3
2 - we won't take a shot anywhere except at the rim.

The scheme is very easy to guard when you don't have great ball movement and perimeter shooting. We had neither this year which led to struggles at the rim.

I was beating this drum months ago. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

because you aren't always going to be able to get layups, dunks or open 3s.

I really can't think of a game where we struggled to get layups, dunks, or open 3s. We just weren't making those open threes.

[PointWarrior]

I am going to go out on a limb and say MU sees more mid-range shots next year.  Not due to some huge change in offensive philosophy, but due to Sean being 5'10 and getting crushed going all of the way to the rim all of the time.   

Wow, that screams MU basketball excitement.

[MU82]

I still think Gold plays in the NBA.

Goose was big on the Gold-will-be-an-NBA-guy thesis. I said back then it was possible but unlikely ... and now, after 3 full seasons, I think it's even less likely.

Gold is slight like Novak. And like Novak, he plays smaller than his height. He would be a defensive liability whether matched up with a 5, 4 or 3 at the next level.

So Gold's only chance is if he proves he can be an ELITE shooter of the NBA-distance 3 - like Novak. Ben certainly hasn't shown that yet.

And I say this all as a guy believes Gold has had value as a college player. And also as a guy who won a bet that Sam Hauser would have an NBA career.

Hey, maybe we'll see Ben become very good next season. That would be fan-freakin-tastic!

[PointWarrior]

Math is hard for some people.  Yourself included, I guess.

Yeah, because missing 75% of our 3 pt shots is so much better than making 50% of mid range shots.

[MUDPT]

Yeah, because missing 75% of our 3 pt shots is so much better than making 50% of mid range shots.

Who makes 50% of their mid range shots?

[wadesworld]

Yeah, because missing 75% of our 3 pt shots is so much better than making 50% of mid range shots.

We shot 25% from 3? That's news to me.

You think as a team we'd shoot 50% from the mid range? Kadary Richmond is supposed to be a mid range savant. He shoots 47.1% from the mid range.

This is why people don't take you seriously.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yeah, because missing 75% of our 3 pt shots is so much better than making 50% of mid range shots.

We missed 68.2% of our three pointers this season. The average NBA team misses about 56% of their mid-range.

If we shot 100 3Pers at 31.8%, we would score about 96 points.

If we shot 100 mid range shots at 44% we would score 88 points.

Given that we are a college team and not an NBA team, we would hit a lot less than 44% of our mid-range shots.

As Hards said, math is hard for some people.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The whole mid-range obsession here is just another flavor of backup QB syndrome. We didn't get the result we wanted, so we look for something we hadn't tried, a mid-range game (the proverbial backup QB).

People mistakenly think, "it couldn't possibly be worse, so let's try the backup qb." The problem is that it absolutely can get worse.

If we weren't good at making open threes, we certainly weren't going to be good at making open mid-range shots.

[PointWarrior]

The whole mid-range obsession here is just another flavor of backup QB syndrome. We didn't get the result we wanted, so we look for something we hadn't tried, a mid-range game (the proverbial backup QB).

People mistakenly think, "it couldn't possibly be worse, so let's try the backup qb." The problem is that it absolutely can get worse.

If we weren't good at making open threes, we certainly weren't going to be good at making open mid-range shots.

I am basketball dumb so help me out - making a 10ft shot is harder than making a 23ft shot?

[tower912]

It isn't more difficult.  It is less efficient. 

[MUDPT]

I am basketball dumb so help me out - making a 10ft shot is harder than making a 23ft shot?

No. You have to make more 10ft shots to get to the value of a 23ft shot.