Shaka's Next 4 Years

[Scoop Snoop]

I have yet to see any acknowledgement here that Shaka's "system"-essentially the pre-portal way of building a team for all but the bluebloods-takes several seasons to (possibly) become successful.

The portal has created a path for teams like St. Johns to quickly create a powerhouse team with a billionaire NIL donor in Pitino's pocket. When the right now! demand for immediate results is the bar for evaluating a system like Shaka's, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning this game with scoopers. but then again...he doesn't need to.    The deck is stacked via the right now! bar.

Marquette has plenty of money and can compete with any other school for the transfers that Muggsy (see the "happy" thread  ) and others say we must have, right? Shaka's system is obviously a failure based upon this season, so we need to replace at least some of the (not) returning players. Perhaps a contingent of scoopers should address the team and explain the new plan to them.

Shaka may very well go to the portal for a transfer, but I think it would be to fill a hole and he would essentially stay with the framework of his system.

[Big Papi]

Part of it is simply recency bias.  Team has been mediocre at best the last two months, so no way guys can get better.  Also, some fans are just programmed to think the players on their teams suck

I think all of the players have and will get better. But is that going to be enough to compete at a high level.

We are losing 3 great starters.

Some players just don't have it and the game that Shaka is playing, you can't miss on your recruits because you are not replacing them with proven ncaa talent.

Then you look at what we are bringing back and you have 3 current players who have been with the program for 2 years and none of them look ready to contribute(Tre, Hamilton, Al). Add 4 new freshmen who look promising but are not ranked where you would expect them to make a huge impact.  That is half your team.

You have another project in Clark and that makes 8.

Sean coming off a major injury makes 9 legit question marks.

That doesn't include Parham, Owens and Zaide.  We are really going to have to hope all 3 improve a lot and none of them get an injury that stunts their development.

Call it recency bias, I call it a big ask to think we are competing for a Big East title with that roster, let alone a top 4 finish.

[BCHoopster]

I have yet to see any acknowledgement here that Shaka's "system"-essentially the pre-portal way of building a team for all but the bluebloods-takes several seasons to (possibly) become successful.

The portal has created a path for teams like St. Johns to quickly create a powerhouse team with a billionaire NIL donor in Pitino's pocket. When the right now! demand for immediate results is the bar for evaluating a system like Shaka's, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning this game with scoopers. but then again...he doesn't need to.    The deck is stacked via the right now! bar.

Marquette has plenty of money and can compete with any other school for the transfers that Muggsy (see the "happy" thread  ) and others say we must have, right? Shaka's system is obviously a failure based upon this season, so we need to replace at least some of the (not) returning players. Perhaps a contingent of scoopers should address the team and explain the new plan to them.

Shaka may very well go to the portal for a transfer, but I think it would be to fill a hole and he would essentially stay with the framework of his system.


Hope there not competing for last!

[Uncle Rico]

I think all of the players have and will get better. But is that going to be enough to compete at a high level.

We are losing 3 great starters.

Some players just don't have it and the game that Shaka is playing, you can't miss on your recruits because you are not replacing them with proven ncaa talent.

Then you look at what we are bringing back and you have 3 current players who have been with the program for 2 years and none of them look ready to contribute(Tre, Hamilton, Al). Add 4 new freshmen who look promising but are not ranked where you would expect them to make a huge impact.  That is half your team.

You have another project in Clark and that makes 8.

Sean coming off a major injury makes 9 legit question marks.

That doesn't include Parham, Owens and Zaide.  We are really going to have to hope all 3 improve a lot and none of them get an injury that stunts their development.

Call it recency bias, I call it a big ask to think we are competing for a Big East title with that roster, let alone a top 4 finish.

Yeah, we'll see.  Again, I want to see the next month or so play out. Player progress isn't always linear, too.  Maybe there are multiple big leaps, maybe not. We're all guessing in that regard. 

All concerns are fair to have.

[Boston Warrior]

I believe Shaka will try and go to the portal this year. I believe Marquette has plenty of money and sources. I believe he will be thoughtful about who he brings in and how long. He will also encourage some guys to play down and or be honest that they will be glorified walk ons. He will build around Zaid, Ross, jones, gold, Owens and parham. A couple of freshmen will play parham type minutes. The program is in good shape and this is a transition year.

[PointWarrior]

Kentucky has nine portal players?  How could they possibly win a game in the tourney?

[Uncle Rico]

Kentucky has nine portal players?  How could they possibly win a game in the tourney?

Probably the same way Purdue won without any

[BCHoopster]

Notre Dame has a good 6'9" player, 15/6 would help!

[Uncle Rico]

Notre Dame has a good 6'9" player, 15/6 would help!

Is he in the portal

[BCHoopster]

Is he in the portal

Yes

[Big Papi]

Probably the same way Purdue won without any

And it sounds like he will be active in it this year although he prefers recruit and development.  At least Painter is open minded about it.

[Uncle Rico]

And it sounds like he will be active in it this year although he prefers recruit and development.  At least Painter is open minded about it.

Shaka has used the portal

[BCHoopster]

Shaka has used the portal

Last 2 years I missed those players, called a physical 4 or 5

[Pakuni]

Shaka has used the portal

But not for two years, and even then it was a flier on a NAIA guy. And when asked about it Friday night, he didn't sound like a guy who planned to dive into the portal this year. For better or worse, he's made not using the portal his coaching personality.

Contrast that to Painter, who said this 10 days ago:
"We're going to get some guys here, we're going to get some guys here in the spring, because you have to — you have to be aggressive."

[Uncle Rico]

But not for two years, and even then it was a flier on a NAIA guy. And when asked about it Friday night, he didn't sound like a guy who planned to dive into the portal this year. For better or worse, he's made not using the portal his coaching personality.

Contrast that to Painter, who said this 10 days ago:
"We're going to get some guys here, we're going to get some guys here in the spring, because you have to — you have to be aggressive."

A lot can change in the next month plus.

[GoldenEagles03]

Kam looking for another year

https://x.com/csgkam/status/1903938589618024666?t=2xkeMrA0jUVQeSS1lx-R3A&s=19

[CountryRoads]

Kam looking for another year

https://x.com/csgkam/status/1903938589618024666?t=2xkeMrA0jUVQeSS1lx-R3A&s=19

He should just get a lawyer. 4 year eligibility probably isn't enforceable or something stupid like that. Problem is then you have guys like Kalkbrenner, Dickinson, Tonje, etc who can't move on from college all doing the same.

[tower912]

Get a fake ID.  It is what everybody did if they didn't get get grandfathered in on the drinking age change.

[cheebs09]

Notre Dame has a good 6'9" player, 15/6 would help!

I'm not sure a Domer is bringing the right culture here.

[Scoop Snoop]

Get a fake ID.  It is what everybody did if they didn't get get grandfathered in on the drinking age change.

I had a fake ID at Marquette and listed Sparta Wisconsin as my hometown. It was a speck on the map, so I thought that no one would know anything about it and ask me questions. The first or second time I used the ID, the guy checking it was very happy to meet someone from Sparta. Somehow, I BSed my way through the conversation. 

[Scoop Snoop]

And it sounds like he will be active in it this year although he prefers recruit and development.  At least Painter is open minded about it.

Unlike Shaka who refuses to consider advice from scoopers. 

[tower912]

Unlike Shaka who refuses to consider advice from scoopers. 

Insensitive meanie.  Validate OUR feelings.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm not sure a Domer is bringing the right culture here.

Oh, I'm positive that a Domer would not fit into the culture. I have a nephew who has always been conspicuously snooty about being a ND alum. I don't think he likes it when I laugh in his face about it.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Yes it will be a new season. Each season ahead is a new season. This season ended on a flame out and the roster next year will be pretty young. Hope these guys mature and get better. However you cannot cloud over the fact that this season was less than the prior two and that next year does not look real promising but will certainly be an "adventure". How do you feel about the program moving downward this year and further next year as compared to the two prior years when Shaka was playing with many players he did not recruit? Do you not see why some are concerned? Do you not believe as you have said Shaka should saddle up or die. I am hoping that Shaka giddyups and further hope that Shaka saddles up a stud and not a mule. May questions and concerns abound.

Willie won't see this as he has me on ignore but others here definitely have this same or similar viewpoint...

I'm confused how the two teams that achieved two seeds weren't composed of Shaka recruits.

If someone is a transfer, are they not recruited?  (TKO, Omax)

If you re-open your recruitment are you not re-recruited (Stevie, Kam)

If you were recruited to Texas and follow the coach, were you not recruited? (Jop)

If you were recruited in high school by Shaka and stay, does that not count?  (Oso)

Concerns about next year's team are totally fair.  There are a lot of questions. But the same guy and staff that identified, recruited/retained, and developed that talent is still here. 

Maybe I'm crazy but I'm guessing he still knows what he's doing. 

[tower912]

Yes, not too long ago MU was picked for 9th in the conference.   Why?  Morsell and Kuath graduated, Justin declared for the NBA, Greg went off to Pitt.   MU WAS DOOMED!

Maybe Sean Jones could save us by moving Kolek off the ball or to the bench.  No way was Oso ready to be a Big East center.  Starting Stevie Mitchell?  What had he shown?  OMax was athletic but out of control and fell down to much.  Kam was nothing but a conscience free gunner.   Some thought MU shouldn't be picked as high as 9th.

Misery and woe and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments.

I am not predicting a repeat of that.  I simply remember we gave all been here before relatively recently.  And I am refusing to despair.