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wadesworld

#50
March 12, 2025, 03:59:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 12, 2025, 03:21:50 PMGonzaga isn't a "walk in and get the players you want" program. They still have to sell kids on going to a small school in a crappy city that plays in a mid-major conference.

Let's see, Wojo successfully recruited to MU:

Ellenson (NBA first rounder)
The Hausers (Sam still in the NBA)
Markus (NBA)
Jamal Cain (NBA)
Oso (NBA)
Kam (soon-to-be a first-round pick)
Stevie (incredible representative of MU)
Aidoo (all SEC, likely to be headed to the NBA)
Theo John (grad transfer to Duke)
Justin Lewis (NBA)
Dawson Garcia (possibly NBA, transfer to UNC)

Wojo brought in really good talent to MU, but as some mentioned, his issue was the actual coaching part. He needed better assistants for sure.


Some of these are quite the reach.

Zog from Margo

#51
March 12, 2025, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 12, 2025, 03:21:50 PMGonzaga isn't a "walk in and get the players you want" program. They still have to sell kids on going to a small school in a crappy city that plays in a mid-major conference.

Let's see, Wojo successfully recruited to MU:

Ellenson (NBA first rounder)
The Hausers (Sam still in the NBA)
Markus (NBA)
Jamal Cain (NBA)
Oso (NBA)
Kam (soon-to-be a first-round pick)
Stevie (incredible representative of MU)
Aidoo (all SEC, likely to be headed to the NBA)
Theo John (grad transfer to Duke)
Justin Lewis (NBA)
Dawson Garcia (possibly NBA, transfer to UNC)

Wojo brought in really good talent to MU, but as some mentioned, his issue was the actual coaching part. He needed better assistants for sure.


I would argue that Wojo's rosters didn't reflect any vision for how he wanted MU to play and, as a result, there was no system continuity or benefit of accumulated experience within a system. To me, that's not good recruiting or coaching. His record bore that out.

MuMark

#52
March 12, 2025, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 12, 2025, 03:59:31 PMI would argue that Wojo's rosters didn't reflect any vision for how he wanted MU to play and, as a result, there was no system continuity or benefit of accumulated experience within a system. To me, that's not good recruiting or coaching. His record bore that out.



I would agree with this.....he recruited some really good players and tried to adjust his system around those players( some posters believe this is the way to go) ..........unless you are recruiting elite talent it's best to recruit good players who fit how you coach......

As Shaka says " you become us.....we don't become you"

Billy Hoyle

#53
March 12, 2025, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 12, 2025, 03:59:18 PMSome of these are quite the reach.

Such as?
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Shaka Shart

#54
March 12, 2025, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 12, 2025, 04:33:51 PMSuch as?
Cain had quite the wingspan for his size
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wadesworld

#55
March 12, 2025, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 12, 2025, 04:33:51 PMSuch as?

I guess 10 day contract guys made the NBA, but they aren't really NBA players.

Cain became an NBA level talent/player well after he left MU.

Aidoo never stepped foot on campus (other than visits as a recruit) and was going wherever Gainey was.

If he had coached Oso and Kam those two probably aren't NBA players.

Theo going to Duke?  Cool.  He hardly played there.

Stevie being an outstanding kid?  Woo hoo!

MU82

#56
March 12, 2025, 05:15:45 PM
I was hoping that a thread dedicated to congratulating our award winners would lead to Scoop's 65,388th discussion about Wojo. So thank goodness!
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The Sultan

#57
March 12, 2025, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 12, 2025, 02:11:30 PMAnd both came from and went to programs where you can walk in and get the players you want. What did a 15-year assistant at Duke know about building a program at a school where that was not, and likely never will be, the case? It was not a lot.

If you keep shifting the goalposts, eventually you will be right I guess.
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Zog from Margo

#58
March 12, 2025, 05:29:13 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 12, 2025, 05:23:02 PMIf you keep shifting the goalposts, eventually you will be right I guess.

Shifting goalposts?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 12, 2025, 05:23:02 PMIf you keep shifting the goalposts, eventually you will be right I guess.

Feel free to think what it takes to be successful at MU is the same as what it takes to be successful at Duke.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 12, 2025, 05:23:02 PMIf you keep shifting the goalposts, eventually you will be right I guess.

Thanks for admitting I'm right.

DoctorV

#59
March 12, 2025, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 12, 2025, 03:54:36 PMOff topic but anyone see Wojo's rant on instagram today? Apparently during one of his GLeague telecasts they threw up a graphic of the "4 Most Annoying Duke Players" and it included him lol. Didn't sound like he took it very well.

Classic!

Newsdreams

#60
March 13, 2025, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2025, 05:15:45 PMI was hoping that a thread dedicated to congratulating our award winners would lead to Scoop's 65,388th discussion about Wojo. So thank goodness!
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#61
March 13, 2025, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2025, 05:15:45 PMI was hoping that a thread dedicated to congratulating our award winners would lead to Scoop's 65,388th discussion about Wojo. So thank goodness!

I think you're undercounting. You're probably using "Scoop math" and not counting posts/discussions in the Superbar.
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