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Shaka Shart

Quote from: Coleman on January 27, 2025, 08:59:37 PMThis whole thing is fucking hilarious to me.

All of these "geniuses" blowing billions of dollars and China shows up and does it at a tiny fraction of the cost and computing power.

Mark Zuckerberg got rich because he made a website to creep on hot girls at Harvard University which is now used exclusively by boomers to share conspiracy theories. He doesn't know dick about AI. All of these oligarchs just got blown out of the water. And it is really satisfying.

It's why hes making the rounds throwing tantrums. They don't have any other ideas. All the money in the world but they can't buy everyone thinking they are gods.
" Ya gotta take the Scout board with a grain of salt. They fly off the handle too much. Besides you won't get banned over here for sayin', Crean farts in the bathtub." - 4everwarriors

Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Coleman on January 27, 2025, 08:59:37 PMThis whole thing is fucking hilarious to me.

All of these "geniuses" blowing billions of dollars and China shows up and does it at a tiny fraction of the cost and computing power.

Mark Zuckerberg got rich because he made a website to creep on hot girls at Harvard University which is now used exclusively by boomers to share conspiracy theories. He doesn't know dick about AI. All of these oligarchs just got blown out of the water. And it is really satisfying.
Consider an analogy I just made up.

The first computers were the size of a building. Then they were reduced to the size of a room and a lot of companies started being able to afford to buy them and allocate the space for them.

***We are here.***

Then the computers became the size of a modern desktop computer.

Then a laptop.

Then a mobile phone.

Then a watch.

Forgetful is right - A whole swath of people will benefit from the reduced overhead from the 'miniaturization' of this tech but in different ways depending on their resources. It's not like there aren't still full-room supercomputers just because we have smartwatches.


NCMUFan

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 27, 2025, 09:49:52 PMI think the current thought process for AI, the billions on hardware, CPU, and the need for gigawatts of energy .. just got completely blown up.

There was an article that had the amount of energy for ONE AI search pegged at 10 cents.    It should not come as a surprise that someone (today, Deepseek) figured out how to do it at 1 cent per search.

I'll guarantee that in 1-2-3 years, that number will be down to .1 cent.  The race has ALWAYS been on to invent a better mousetrap.  Hell, they'll use AI to optimize AI.  In 10 years, it'll be .001 cents.

I think Nvidia and all those who are in the process of investing billions are going to find themselves with a tsunami of processing power that won't be necessary.


Could be the case, but I think history is contrary.  Parallel computing was once an academic topic.  Then for the Military with Crays.  Now commonly up to 16 processors sitting on many peoples' desktop computer.  More complex problems, more processors put to work.  AI code seems like a good way to optimize getting to the answer but for virtual modeling requiring many tasks to be completed at once, probably still need many and fast processors.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 27, 2025, 06:42:03 PMBenevolent dictator and/or oligarchy is a cute theory but in practice they are all such fcking dweebs

I don't know if that makes it more or less scary. Zuck is utterly amoral, Elon is all about amassing power, etc. One thing none of them are is benevolent.

Is an Oligarchy of the Fucking Dweebs better or worse that the standard type?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Pakuni

#30
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2025, 04:46:22 PMNot weird.

No surprise the Chinese controlled software would have internal censors.

That doesn't take away from the rest of the story

Obviously I meant weird sarcastically.
No, it doesn't take away from the rest of the story, and I didn't suggest that. But it should be worrisome, unless one is naive enough to believe China would manipulate this only to censor negative news about the CCP and not in other ways.

GB Warrior

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on January 28, 2025, 09:39:46 AMI don't know if that makes it more or less scary. Zuck is utterly amoral, Elon is all about amassing power, etc. One thing none of them are is benevolent.

Is an Oligarchy of the Fucking Dweebs better or worse that the standard type?

Much worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!

Pakuni

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMuch worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!

Right.
Despite all their wealth, fame and success, deep down they're still the insecure kid who got picked last for the kickball team in grade school and ignored by the cool kids in high school.
No one embodies this more than Zuckerberg.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Pakuni on January 28, 2025, 10:33:44 AMRight.
Despite all their wealth, fame and success, deep down they're still the insecure kid who got picked last for the kickball team in grade school and ignored by the cool kids in high school.
No one embodies this more than Zuckerberg.
I'm all that without being rich.

GB Warrior

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 10:52:22 AMI'm all that without being rich.


Right, no complaints when your sphere of influence isn't the future of everything

Skatastrophy

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 11:28:13 AMRight, no complaints when your sphere of influence isn't the future of everything
Imagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.

I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry

Why you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?

Shaka Shart

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMuch worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!
Glass houses, GB Warrior
" Ya gotta take the Scout board with a grain of salt. They fly off the handle too much. Besides you won't get banned over here for sayin', Crean farts in the bathtub." - 4everwarriors

Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

Skatastrophy

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 28, 2025, 12:21:44 PMWhy you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?
We know your game!

GB Warrior

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 28, 2025, 12:21:44 PMWhy you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?

Dodds is a competitor like Google+ was a competitor to Twitter

JWags85

Tangentially related, but when discussing the chips and computing power needed for AI and such, anyone read up on ASMLP and their EUV/photolithography methods of chipmaking?  Its absolutely insane mindblowing technology...and also a good counter to any worries about the Chinese influence on the semiconductor space/IP theft.  The machines cost $150MM+, only ASML can make and sell them...which they are particular about.  And, for a comparison, the EUV machines are processing on a level smaller than a UV wavelength and are so insanely precise and calibrated that replicating their output without it would be like forging a painting down to the atomic level.  Wild and fascinating stuff.

MU Fan in Connecticut

ASML has the manufacturing facility in Wilton, CT and they can't hire people fast enough.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 02:10:06 PMDodds is a competitor like Google+ was a competitor to Twitter

If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMImagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.

I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.

Elon is a terrible poster and has never gotten over that so he bought the website with the funny posts and tanked it.
" Ya gotta take the Scout board with a grain of salt. They fly off the handle too much. Besides you won't get banned over here for sayin', Crean farts in the bathtub." - 4everwarriors

Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

rocky_warrior

https://futurism.com/researchers-deepseek-even-cheaper

QuoteJiayi Pan, a PhD candidate at the University of California, Berkeley, claims that he and his AI research team have recreated core functions of DeepSeek's R1-Zero for just $30 — a comically more limited budget than DeepSeek, which rattled the tech industry this week with its extremely thrifty model that it says cost just a few million to train.

The Sultan

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMImagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.

I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.


Is there a greater legacy than owning the libs?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 29, 2025, 12:02:38 AMElon is a terrible poster and has never gotten over that so he bought the website with the funny posts and tanked it.

So, basically Rochet Brain with money.

Frenns Liquor Depot


GB Warrior


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My favorite was Woody Harrelson as Danny Hurley

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