@ Xavier, @ Providence

[The Sultan]

Which is a completely different point.  Kam being a magnet and drawing defense's in does not mean that every other player out there is stretching the defense.

Kam is a magnet and Royce does not stretch the D, two completely unrelated but factual statements.

Correct. Royce isn't stretching the floor at all. At this point in his career, defenses want him shooting that. As he gains consistency, they will definitely be guarding him differently.

[Galway Eagle]

Correct. Royce isn't stretching the floor at all. At this point in his career, defenses want him shooting that. As he gains consistency, they will definitely be guarding him differently.

This is why every few games Jop lays a stinker. Get too consistent and the teams will always prep for it.

[The Sultan]

Just for more context on the open 3s.

139 of the teams 354 attempts have been unguarded catch and shoot 3s. Nearly 40%!

Kam Jones effect.

If Marquette were a better shooting team, they wouldn't be getting 40% unguarded looks. Collapsing on Kam is a better defensive option than guarding the three.

[Its DJOver]

I guess his reply to me-" idk if you have really been watching" applies to you also. 

It's kinda what he does.  Double down on incorrect statements while also throwing a correct statement out there and trying to group everything together.

[Uncle Rico]

Cinema

[We R Final Four]

Actually you're right. The fact Creighton is having a down year made me forget about them for a second.

Top 2 most difficult places to play based on atmosphere are UConn and Creighton. Top 2 places with the harshest fans are Providence and UConn.

I would say an up and down year

[wiscwarrior]

Seems to me that one of the big factors in Xavier's showing at UConn was their 3 point shooting. Is that a normal percentage for them or will they regress to a mean? I'm thinking they regress. 

[GoldenEagles03]

It's kinda what he does.  Double down on incorrect statements while also throwing a correct statement out there and trying to group everything together.

I'm sorry you see it that way. I said Royce stretches the floor...which I stand by.

I used Kam as a piece of evidence as to why Royce is getting open looks...which I also stand by. Teams aren't just going to give Royce open 3s intentionally.

[Its DJOver]

SMH. Markus was one of the greatest in program history at drawing extra defenders, I'm going to use that as evidence that Theo was stretching the floor.

[The Sultan]

I'm sorry you see it that way. I said Royce stretches the floor...which I stand by.

I used Kam as a piece of evidence as to why Royce is getting open looks...which I also stand by. Teams aren't just going to give Royce open 3s intentionally.

But they are. They are sagging off of him to make it harder for Kam to get to the hoop. Kam is getting Royce those shots because that's what the defense wants!

[Galway Eagle]

SMH. Markus was one of the greatest in program history at drawing extra defenders, I'm going to use that as evidence that Theo was stretching the floor.

Guy shot 75% from 3!

[Hards Alumni]

I'm sorry you see it that way. I said Royce stretches the floor...which I stand by.

I used Kam as a piece of evidence as to why Royce is getting open looks...which I also stand by. Teams aren't just going to give Royce open 3s intentionally.

[GoldenEagles03]

But they are. They are sagging off of him to make it harder for Kam to get to the hoop. Kam is getting Royce those shots because that's what the defense wants!

I would rather give up a Royce 3 than a Kam layup...but I still believe Royce stretches the floor. Just listening to basketball minds like Shaka who raves about Royce offensively and Wes Matthews who said Royce reminds him of Bobby Portis for his ability to space the floor.

If you guys don't believe that to be true, fine. I tend to believe it. Oh well.

[Its DJOver]

You can be a good offensive player with having the ability to "stretch the floor".  Oso is one of the most recent/best examples.

I like Royce's fearlessness on the offensive end, I think he has a high ceiling as an offensive player.  He currently does not have the ability to stretch the floor. If he improves his three point shooting, he may develop that ability.

[Hards Alumni]

I would rather give up a Royce 3 than a Kam layup...but I still believe Royce stretches the floor. Just listening to basketball minds like Shaka who raves about Royce offensively and Wes Matthews who said Royce reminds him of Bobby Portis for his ability to space the floor.

If you guys don't believe that to be true, fine. I tend to believe it. Oh well.

Being a stretch four means you can get points low in the paint as well as behind the three point line consistently.  Royce can't do that yet.  I'm sure he will develop into that kind of player, but he lacks consistency.  This is shown by his 3 point percentage (23%).  If he becomes more consistent with his 3 point percentage he will be able to STRETCH the defense because they will be forced to guard him out on the 3 point line.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk

[Galway Eagle]

Wes Matthews who said Royce reminds him of Bobby Portis

Our other players should probably wear face guards for preemptive protection then.

[GoldenEagles03]

You can be a good offensive player with having the ability to "stretch the floor".  Oso is one of the most recent/best examples.

I like Royce's fearlessness on the offensive end, I think he has a high ceiling as an offensive player.  He currently does not have the ability to stretch the floor. If he improves his three point shooting, he may develop that ability.

Using Oso as an example in a conversation about Royce and his ability to space the floor...just seems wrong. Like I get your point, but Oso isn't a fair example when discussing Royce.

Wes and Terrence Ogelsby raved about Royce and used the the words "space the floor" when comparing him to Bobby Portis. Making more shots helps, of course, but his presence on the floor and ability to shoot even with some struggles isn't nothing.

[Its DJOver]

Using Oso as an example in a conversation about Royce and his ability to space the floor...just seems wrong. Like I get your point, but Oso isn't a fair example when discussing Royce.

Wes and Terrence Ogelsby raved about Royce and used the the words "space the floor" when comparing him to Bobby Portis. Making more shots helps, of course, but his presence on the floor and ability to shoot even with some struggles isn't nothing.

So comparing a MU big with limited range to a MU big with limited range is unfair because?...

This is why I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously, you just decide you want to ignore data or examples.  Royce makes almost one 3 per game, but lets ignore his actual percentage.  Royce and Oso are both MU bigs playing within Shakas system, but comparing them is unfair because a commentator compared Royce to Bobby Portis.

I'm trying to make it make sense, but you are just so blatantly shifting goalposts and ignoring data that it makes it hard.   

[GoldenEagles03]

So comparing a MU big with limited range to a MU big with limited range is unfair because?...

This is why I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously, you just decide you want to ignore data or examples.  Royce makes almost one 3 per game, but lets ignore his actual percentage.  Royce and Oso are both MU bigs playing within Shakas system, but comparing them is unfair because a commentator compared Royce to Bobby Portis.

I'm trying to make it make sense, but you are just so blatantly shifting goalposts and ignoring data that it makes it hard.   

You've somehow talked yourself into thinking Royce has limited range?

I guess we will end it there then.

From the 16:02 mark to 9:40 mark in the 2H at Iowa State, Royce had 11 points and 3 made 3s.

So forgive me for thinking that is not comparable to a guy with 0 made 3s in a 4 year college career.

[Its DJOver]

So again, you're just going to look at a 7 minute period and cherrypick data from there and ignore what the data suggests over his entire career to date. If that 7 minute segment was all we had to base his skillset on, you'd be spot on, but instead you're going to put your blinders up to all of his limitations.

[Pepe Sylvia]

You're both right, in that royce ain't shooting great yet so you thinks he doesn't space the floor, but they ain't leaving him all by his lonesome the way theo or old stevie would get sometimes. You still have to guard him out there. He's not a GOOD or LETHAL floor spacer just yet but he is keeping the floor spaced.

[GoldenEagles03]

You're both right, in that royce ain't shooting great yet so you thinks he doesn't space the floor, but they ain't leaving him all by his lonesome the way theo or old stevie would get sometimes. You still have to guard him out there. He's not a GOOD or LETHAL floor spacer just yet but he is keeping the floor spaced.

Thank you!

[Its DJOver]

You're both right, in that royce ain't shooting great yet so you thinks he doesn't space the floor, but they ain't leaving him all by his lonesome the way theo or old stevie would get sometimes. You still have to guard him out there. He's not a GOOD or LETHAL floor spacer just yet but he is keeping the floor spaced.

You're comparing him to another MU player?  That's just wrong. That's unfair, you can't do that.

[Its DJOver]

Thank you!

I asked before, and you conveniently ignored it (like his stats outside 7 minutes).  How low would his three point shooting percentage have to get until he's no longer "stretching the defense"?

[The Sultan]

Thank you!

LOL. That is not what you said, but OK...