MU 2 the NBA misses

[Skatastrophy]

Loved JFB when he was here, but didn't project him to be the NBA stud that he's been.

Hayward washing out was a surprise to me between JFB, Jae, and Hayward I would have guessed Jae and Hayward would stick.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hayward washing out was a surprise to me between JFB, Jae, and Hayward I would have guessed Jae and Hayward would stick.

I knew JFB would stick. He could defend. Hayward was always undersized and wasn't the quickest.  I wasn't sure about Jae but he's done pretty well for himself.

[warriorchick]

It's amazing how much players improved once they were no longer being coached by Wojo.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It's amazing how much players improved once they were no longer being coached by Wojo.

Like who? Outside of Jamal Cain, I can't really think of one. Juan played for him for one season, and it was his best season at Marquette.

[Newsdreams]

Vander Blue was missing a consistent outside shot for a SG. He fits more of a PG mold in the NBA but didn't really have those skills.

Wrong player Hippie, dentist was talking about Vida

[dgies9156]

Wrong player Hippie, dentist was talking about Vida

Vida lost his fastball's edge after an injury.

[warriorchick]

Like who? Outside of Jamal Cain, I can't really think of one. Juan played for him for one season, and it was his best season at Marquette.

Oso, for example. And as has been stated, no one thought Juan was real NBA material. became much better once he left Marquette.

How many players can you name that became a significantly better player under Wojo's tutelage?

[Newsdreams]

Vida lost his fastball's edge after an injury.

Details dog details, 17 yrs, 209-161, 3.27 lifetime ERA, I take it. But dentist don't appreciate...

[wadesworld]

Oso, for example. And as has been stated, no one thought Juan was real NBA material. became much better once he left Marquette.

How many players can you name that became a significantly better player under Wojo's tutelage?

Sam, Markus, Sacar, Juan, JJJ, Luke Fischer, Rowsey, Greg Elliott, Theo.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Oso, for example.

He played five games under Wojo before taking a medical redshirt. Of course he improved afterwards.

And as has been stated, no one thought Juan was real NBA material. became much better once he left Marquette.

And again, he was better his one season under Wojo than he was his three under Buzz.

How many players can you name that became a significantly better player under Wojo's tutelage?

Not many...but I never made that claim. 

[CTWarrior]

I would have thought Juan Anderson and Jamal Cain would have been the obvious answers to the question of who made the NBA that you didn't think would.  Chris Crawford was another guy that I didn't think of until reading the thread.

As for guys I thought could make it but didn't, the only one that comes to mind off the bat is Dominic James, who I thought, after his freshman season, had a great chance to make it.

Wes Matthews and Jae Crowder and Jimmy Butler were guys that I thought could play in the NBA when they were seniors, but they all turned out to be way better NBA players than I thought they would be.

[#UnleashSean]

How many players can you name that became a significantly better player under Wojo's tutelage?

Trick question. There never was one.

[BM1090]

Trick question. There never was one.

Sacar for sure. Whether that was his own work or Wojo's, I have no idea. But he improved a ton. He went from redshirting as a sophomore to the clear 2nd best player on that 19-20 team that would have made the tournament if not for COVID.

[BM1090]

Sam, Markus, Sacar, Juan, JJJ, Luke Fischer, Rowsey, Greg Elliott, Theo.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Maybe, Maybe, No, No, IMO.

But I'd also argue that Sam and Markus would have made the strides they did no matter who the coach was. Sacar, Juan and JJ are the best examples for me.

[MU82]

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Maybe, Maybe, No, No, IMO.

But I'd also argue that Sam and Markus would have made the strides they did no matter who the coach was. Sacar, Juan and JJ are the best examples for me.

You don't think Rowsey improved? He became a pretty nice PG as a senior, a role he hadn't played much before. I'll certainly acknowledge that his defense didn't improve, though! 🤣

[BM1090]

You don't think Rowsey improved? He became a pretty nice PG as a senior, a role he hadn't played much before. I'll certainly acknowledge that his defense didn't improve, though! 🤣

I think Rowsey's role changed. I don't think his skills got too much better. Just my opinion, though.

With Sacar, Juan and JJ I saw undeniable progress in skill development

[wadesworld]

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Maybe, Maybe, No, No, IMO.

But I'd also argue that Sam and Markus would have made the strides they did no matter who the coach was. Sacar, Juan and JJ are the best examples for me.

I have very little doubt that all, or at least most, of these guys would've improved throughout their college careers no matter where they went.  But that doesn't mean they didn't develop significantly under Wojo.

[MU_B]

When I listed him I meant more like when he was drafted.

And when you said "Henry" i thought you were talking about Cordell Henry, figured i forgot about him getting some NBA run. 

Ellenson's time at Marquette and after are such an afterthought.

[Galway Eagle]

And when you said "Henry" i thought you were talking about Cordell Henry, figured i forgot about him getting some NBA run. 

Ellenson's time at Marquette and after are such an afterthought.

Maybe the blandest 20 win season MU's ever had?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Buycks is the one that surprised me the most. Never considered him a possibility. Juan at least looked the part at MU but I never thought his play was good enough to make it.

HEllenson is definitely the one that I thought would have a longer and better NBA career. I never thought he'd be a starter, but a consistent bench player at least. He's still playing, but I also thought that DJ Carton oozed NBA potential.

[BubbaWilliams]

I'm shocked that Trend Blackledge never won an NBA dunk contest.

[Afroman]

Tom Copa -- 33 games w/ the Spurs in 91-92.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Tom Copa -- 33 games w/ the Spurs in 91-92.

Good call.

[Billy Hoyle]

Vander Blue was missing a consistent outside shot for a SG. He fits more of a PG mold in the NBA but didn't really have those skills.

that was on Vander, not any coaches. When he was on the U18 team before college the coaching staff there told him he needed to adjust his shooting form and he blew them off, basically saying if he made the team and was ranked as he was there was nothing he had to do differently.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

that was on Vander, not any coaches. When he was on the U18 team before college the coaching staff there told him he needed to adjust his shooting form and he blew them off, basically saying if he made the team and was ranked as he was there was nothing he had to do differently.

And he would have been the PG had he stayed his senior year.