Preseason Rankings: Big East vs. Atlantic 10

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

To no one's surprise, the Big East finishes on top, as quantified below by various experts.
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Preseason AP Top 25 Poll – Associated Press – October 14, 2024

3. UConn (1,345 points)
15. Creighton (631)
18. Marquette (484)

Others Receiving Votes:
(#27.) St. John's (91 points)
(#28.) Xavier (73)
(#40.T) Providence (9)
(#40.T) Saint Louis (9)
(#44) VCU (6)
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2025 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings – Ken Pomery – October 13, 2024

5. UConn (1.)
12. Creighton (2.)
19. St. John's (3.)
20. Villanova (4.)
22. Marquette (5.)
27. Dayton (1.)
30. Xavier (6.)
41. VCU (2.)

60. Providence (7.)
79. Loyola Chicago (3.)
83. Butler (8.)
86. Saint Joseph's (4.)
88. Georgetown (9.)
91. Seton Hall (10.)
98. George Mason (5.)

105. Saint Louis (6.)
117. Massachusetts (7.)
122. Rhode Island (8.)
123. St. Bonaventure (9.)
125. Davidson (10.)
139. Richmond (11.)
143. Duquesne (12.)
146. George Washington (13.)
164. Fordham (14.)
166. DePaul (11.)
167. La Salle (15.)
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CSM's Basketball Top 144 Previews – CollegeSportsMadness –   June 14 to November 4, 2024

?? UConn (1.)
?? Creighton (2.)
?? Marquette (3.)
22. St. John's (4.) (October 14, 2024)
24. Xavier (5.)
35. Dayton (1.)
38. Providence (6.)
39. VCU (2.)
47. Seton Hall (7.)

59. Saint Louis (3.)
72. Butler (8.)
73. Georgetown (9.)
77.  Saint Joseph's (4.)
85. Villanova (10.)
87. Loyola Chicago (5.)
92. George Mason (6.)
105. Duquesne (7.)
118. Massachusetts (8.)

Not included in CSM's Basketball Top 144 Previews:
... DePaul
... Rhode Island
... St. Bonaventure
... Davidson
... Richmond
... George Washington
... Fordham
... La Salle
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2025 T-Rank College Basketball Projections – BartTovik.com – October 15, 2024

13. UConn (1.)
14. Creighton (2.)
16. St. John's (3.)
25. Marquette (4.)
37.  Xavier (5.)
43.  Villanova (6.)

52. VCU (1.)
60. Providence (7.)
70. Dayton (2.)
76. Butler (8.)
81. Saint Joseph's (3.)
85. George Mason (4.)
91. Loyola Chicago (5.)
92. Seton Hall (9.)

104. Georgetown (10.)
109. Saint Louis (6.)
113. Duquesne (7.)
117. DePaul (11.)
120. Massachusetts (8.)
129. George Washington (9.)
134. St. Bonaventure (10.)
142. Fordham (11.)
146. Rhode Island (12.)
147. Richmond (13.)
164. La Salle (14.)
165. Davidson (15.)
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2024 BIG EAST Basketball Media Day Set for October 23 – Xavier Musketeers – August 19, 2024

2024-25 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Preseason Poll –  Atlantic10.com – October 7, 2024

1. VCU (14) ................. 421 points
2. Dayton (6) .............. 394
3. Saint Joseph's (5) ... 376
4. Saint Louis (2) ........ 371
5. Loyola Chicago (2) .. 368
6. George Mason ......... 262
7. Richmond ................ 230
8. Duquesne (1) .......... 222
9. Massachusetts ......... 215
10. St. Bonaventure ..... 210
11. Rhode Island ......... 159
12. Davidson ............... 118
13. Geo. Washington ... 111
14. Fordham ................. 80
15. La Salle ................... 62
(Number in parenthesis indicates number of first-place votes.)
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Top 16 Teams Outside Basketball's Power Conferences - Matt Norlander, CBS Sports – October 15, 2024

1. Gonzaga
4. Dayton
10. VCU
16. Loyola Chicago
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[The Sultan]

Yes. Power conferences usually rate higher than mid-majors.

[PGsHeroes32]

Ban Please

[Uncle Rico]

To no one's surprise, the Big East finishes on top, as quantified below by various experts.
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Preseason AP Top 25 Poll – Associated Press – October 14, 2024

3. UConn (1,345 points)
15. Creighton (631)
18. Marquette (484)

Others Receiving Votes:
(#27.) St. John's (91 points)
(#28.) Xavier (73)
(#40.T) Providence (9)
(#40.T) Saint Louis (9)
(#44) VCU (6)
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2025 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings – Ken Pomery – October 13, 2024

5. UConn (1.)
12. Creighton (2.)
19. St. John's (3.)
20. Villanova (4.)
22. Marquette (5.)
27. Dayton (1.)
30. Xavier (6.)
41. VCU (2.)

60. Providence (7.)
79. Loyola Chicago (3.)
83. Butler (8.)
86. Saint Joseph's (4.)
88. Georgetown (9.)
91. Seton Hall (10.)
98. George Mason (5.)

105. Saint Louis (6.)
117. Massachusetts (7.)
122. Rhode Island (8.)
123. St. Bonaventure (9.)
125. Davidson (10.)
139. Richmond (11.)
143. Duquesne (12.)
146. George Washington (13.)
164. Fordham (14.)
166. DePaul (11.)
167. La Salle (15.)
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CSM's Basketball Top 144 Previews – CollegeSportsMadness –   June 14 to November 4, 2024

?? UConn (1.)
?? Creighton (2.)
?? Marquette (3.)
22. St. John's (4.) (October 14, 2024)
24. Xavier (5.)
35. Dayton (1.)
38. Providence (6.)
39. VCU (2.)
47. Seton Hall (7.)

59. Saint Louis (3.)
72. Butler (8.)
73. Georgetown (9.)
77.  Saint Joseph's (4.)
85. Villanova (10.)
87. Loyola Chicago (5.)
92. George Mason (6.)
105. Duquesne (7.)
118. Massachusetts (8.)

Not included in CSM's Basketball Top 144 Previews:
... DePaul
... Rhode Island
... St. Bonaventure
... Davidson
... Richmond
... George Washington
... Fordham
... La Salle
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2025 T-Rank College Basketball Projections – BartTovik.com – October 15, 2024

13. UConn (1.)
14. Creighton (2.)
16. St. John's (3.)
25. Marquette (4.)
37.  Xavier (5.)
43.  Villanova (6.)

52. VCU (1.)
60. Providence (7.)
70. Dayton (2.)
76. Butler (8.)
81. Saint Joseph's (3.)
85. George Mason (4.)
91. Loyola Chicago (5.)
92. Seton Hall (9.)

104. Georgetown (10.)
109. Saint Louis (6.)
113. Duquesne (7.)
117. DePaul (11.)
120. Massachusetts (8.)
129. George Washington (9.)
134. St. Bonaventure (10.)
142. Fordham (11.)
146. Rhode Island (12.)
147. Richmond (13.)
164. La Salle (14.)
165. Davidson (15.)
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2024 BIG EAST Basketball Media Day Set for October 23 – Xavier Musketeers – August 19, 2024

2024-25 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Preseason Poll –  Atlantic10.com – October 7, 2024

1. VCU (14) ................. 421 points
2. Dayton (6) .............. 394
3. Saint Joseph's (5) ... 376
4. Saint Louis (2) ........ 371
5. Loyola Chicago (2) .. 368
6. George Mason ......... 262
7. Richmond ................ 230
8. Duquesne (1) .......... 222
9. Massachusetts ......... 215
10. St. Bonaventure ..... 210
11. Rhode Island ......... 159
12. Davidson ............... 118
13. Geo. Washington ... 111
14. Fordham ................. 80
15. La Salle ................... 62
(Number in parenthesis indicates number of first-place votes.)
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Top 16 Teams Outside Basketball's Power Conferences - Matt Norlander, CBS Sports – October 15, 2024

1. Gonzaga
4. Dayton
10. VCU
16. Loyola Chicago
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It surprised me.  I thought for sure the A-10 would rate higher.  They have a lot of powerful programs in their ranks. 

I think anywhere between 9 and 11 teams in the A10 would easily win the Big East.

[wadesworld]

The Big East will have to fall off a cliff in a huge way if they ever have to worry about how they compare to the A10. In a site full of useless threads, this tops them all.

[THRILLHO]

Looking forward to the comparison against the Northeast conference.

[Dickthedribbler]

We were warned about this.

[Shaka Shart]

2025 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings – Ken Pomery – October 13, 2024
-203   St. Thomas (1.)

CSM's Basketball Top 144 Previews – CollegeSportsMadness –   June 14 to November 4, 2024
-??. St. Thomas (1.)

2025 T-Rank College Basketball Projections – BartTovik.com – October 15, 2024
-176 St. Thomas (1.)

[rocky_warrior]

I have to admit, if Flyer keeps up the long multi-colored posts, this will get tiresome quickly.

[TallTitan34]

Related, SEC football expected to finish ahead of Big East football this season.

(insert multi-colored post)

[TallTitan34]

ABD

[🏀]

To no one's surprise, the Big East finishes on top, as quantified below by various experts.
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Should've stopped here and logged off.

[🏀]

ABD

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

ABD

This never gets old.

[Hards Alumni]

This never gets old.

It should be the default response to any of his posts, honestly.

[PointWarrior]

Thanks, did not realize how much the A10 sucks.

[Shaka Shart]

Yeah it's pretty embarrassing Dayton hasn't won an A-10 tourney since 2003 and has the same number of titles as Penn st

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah it's pretty embarrassing Dayton hasn't won an A-10 tourney since 2003 and has the same number of titles as Penn st

Yeah for a program that's convinced it's knocking on the door of a major big they haven't done much to earn it. It's really easy to forget how pedestrian their basketball history is when you just look at win counts but man is that padded by bad teams in a crappy conference.

[UWW2MU]

While I get that there were some A10 fans that got a bit uppity during the BE split, overall I just don't get the animosity here.  The A10 to mid majors is like the BE to the other high majors.  We have more in common than not and I don't blame any A10 fan that has aspirations of joining the BE.

[Galway Eagle]

While I get that there were some A10 fans that got a bit uppity during the BE split, overall I just don't get the animosity here.  The A10 to mid majors is like the BE to the other high majors.  We have more in common than not and I don't blame any A10 fan that has aspirations of joining the BE.

Cherry-picking rankings on a Marquette board to show Dayton as the better institution? Causes animosity.

He also full on hijacked holyland of hoops for a good two years. Dayton as a whole I don't really have any animosity toward, I think their online fandom thinks they're wayyyy better than they are but that's just more comical than anything.

[The Sultan]

While I get that there were some A10 fans that got a bit uppity during the BE split, overall I just don't get the animosity here.  The A10 to mid majors is like the BE to the other high majors. We have more in common than not and I don't blame any A10 fan that has aspirations of joining the BE.

The bolded is not accurate. Since 2014, the Big East has won four national championships - more than any other conference.  The last time a current Atlantic 10 school won a national championship was 1963.

There are many other datapoints if you would like me to go on.

[Shaka Shart]

While I get that there were some A10 fans that got a bit uppity during the BE split, overall I just don't get the animosity here.  The A10 to mid majors is like the BE to the other high majors.  We have more in common than not and I don't blame any A10 fan that has aspirations of joining the BE.

Meet a few more older alums and you'll get it.

[wadesworld]

Just as a reminder, we could only hope to be so lucky as to be invited to the A10 one day.  Funny seeing this post and then looking at UDPride and their thread about what conference they could join next and how well their AD is positioning them for conference realignment.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34539.msg422884#msg422884

[MurphysTillClose]

Just as a reminder, we could only hope to be so lucky as to be invited to the A10 one day.  Funny seeing this post and then looking at UDPride and their thread about what conference they could join next and how well their AD is positioning them for conference realignment.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34539.msg422884#msg422884

"You wont be raiding the A10, but the A10 might raid you -- if you're that fortunate."

[TallTitan34]

Since 2014, the Big East has won four national championships - more than any other conference.

And 8 nattys in 21 years.