2024-25 NBA Thread

[cheebs09]

Yea, no offense but I don't buy that for a second.  Sounds like convenient positive PR aimed at finding his next destination.  He would be 36 coming off a severe injury and would be lucky to get $56 over 2-3 years at that point, much less that for a year.  I get missing his family or whatnot, but $56MM buys a lot of flights to visit.

My only thought would be he was debating this pre-injury if it gave him one more bigger contract. Now it would make no sense. This actually seems best case for Dame.

[GB Warrior]

This is the best of a bad situation for everyone. He can truly pick his landing spot for what works for his family. The Bucks get immediate relief when it matters most, and that  $22M dead space is A)preferable to effectively 60M dead cap this year and B) will get smaller and smaller as a % of a rising cap.

This is a shitty situation all around. But I can't think of a better outcome all around in light of it.

[MuggsyB]

I just saw the Pistons are getting Duncan Robinson for 3 years, 48 mill??  Based on other recent contracts this seems crazy high. 

[tower912]

Stand there and make 3 pointers while Cynningham and Ivey do the work.

[Jay Bee]

I just saw the Pistons are getting Duncan Robinson for 3 years, 48 mill??  Based on other recent contracts this seems crazy high. 

It's a traditional contract.

[MuggsyB]

Stand there and make 3 pointers while Cynningham and Ivey do the work.

I get that, but when you look at other contracts it's insanely high.  Ty Jerome got 1/2 that.  Robinson is inconsistent for being a sole spot shooter. 

[GB Warrior]

I just saw the Pistons are getting Duncan Robinson for 3 years, 48 mill??  Based on other recent contracts this seems crazy high. 

He took Malik's negotiating strategy and kept playing Double or Nothing. Sometimes you hit.

[Shaka Shart]

He took Malik's negotiating strategy and kept playing Double or Nothing. Sometimes you hit.

Affirmative action works both ways

[GB Warrior]

Dentist aids and abets local man's gambling addiction

https://x.com/robertsnellnews/status/1940178013808923081?s=46

[MuggsyB]

Dentist aids and abets local man's gambling addiction

https://x.com/robertsnellnews/status/1940178013808923081?s=46

This is an unusually disturbing story if accurate. 

[Jay Bee]

This is an unusually disturbing story if accurate. 

Aww, c'mon... he's a great guy!

https://www.nba.com/news/timberwolves-malik-beasley-gets-120-day-sentence-for-gun-threat

[JWags85]

I get that, but when you look at other contracts it's insanely high.  Ty Jerome got 1/2 that.  Robinson is inconsistent for being a sole spot shooter. 

Robinson has basically averaged 12 points a game, when healthy, over the last 5-6 seasons as a 39-40% 3PM shooter playing 25+ MPG and semi-regular starter for a perennial playoff team.  He had a reduced role this year but still started 37 games.

Ty Jerome has started 10 games total his entire NBA career, averaged under 20 MPG this year in his best season in the league and has had trouble staying healthy most of his career.

In no world should Ty Jerome be a salary comp for Robinson and Robinson is easily going to command more money than him.

[MuggsyB]

Robinson has basically averaged 12 points a game, when healthy, over the last 5-6 seasons as a 39-40% 3PM shooter playing 25+ MPG and semi-regular starter for a perennial playoff team.  He had a reduced role this year but still started 37 games.

Ty Jerome has started 10 games total his entire NBA career, averaged under 20 MPG this year in his best season in the league and has had trouble staying healthy most of his career.

In no world should Ty Jerome be a salary comp for Robinson and Robinson is easily going to command more money than him.

Would you rather have D.Robinson at that deal vs Ty Jerome or Gary Trent Jr. at their deals?  Is he worth 16 mill a year is the discussion. 

[JWags85]

Would you rather have D.Robinson at that deal vs Ty Jerome or Gary Trent Jr. at their deals?  Is he worth 16 mill a year is the discussion. 

Robinson over Jerome easily.

The Trent deal is an absolute steal.  But I think 1) he likes playing with Giannis and in MKE and 2) its setting up for him to opt out next year and get a big deal with his Bird Rights.  Which I imagine was probably part of the discussion with Horst to ink this deal.

Open market, I would have expect Trent to get $12MMish a year.

[MuggsyB]

Robinson over Jerome easily.

The Trent deal is an absolute steal.  But I think 1) he likes playing with Giannis and in MKE and 2) its setting up for him to opt out next year and get a big deal with his Bird Rights.  Which I imagine was probably part of the discussion with Horst to ink this deal.

Open market, I would have expect Trent to get $12MMish a year.

You didn't answer the question.  Is he worth 16 mill a year?

[Billy Hoyle]

You didn't answer the question.  Is he worth 16 mill a year?

If they're willing to pay it then he is.
. But the second year is only partially guaranteed and the third year is not guaranteed so it's not as bad of a deal as it seems on its face

[cheebs09]

Dentist aids and abets local man's gambling addiction

https://x.com/robertsnellnews/status/1940178013808923081?s=46

Where there's crime, there's usually a dentist involved.

[MUBurrow]

This is a shitty situation all around. But I can't think of a better outcome all around in light of it.

The more I look at it, the more I agree.  With Giannis under contract for two more years (not including his option year) the 2025 offseason options were either waive Dame or trade Giannis now. If you ask Giannis to punt on a year waiting for 36 year old Dame to come back after a blown achilles, there is no way Giannis is a Buck 24 months from now. Sure now there is the 27-28, 28-29, and 29-30 years of $20M Dame dead money, but if Giannis leaves - which he surely would have if Horst stood pat - who cares? Its not like the Bucks were going to do anything meaningful with that cap space after Giannis anyway.  Maybe eat a bad contract or two for late first/second round picks? The post Giannis ships are already burnt. Pissing on the ashes is a small price to pay for even a longshot chance to make a run in the wide open East with Giannis & Turner. 

[MuggsyB]

The more I look at it, the more I agree.  With Giannis under contract for two more years (not including his option year) the 2025 offseason options were either waive Dame or trade Giannis now. If you ask Giannis to punt on a year waiting for 36 year old Dame to come back after a blown achilles, there is no way Giannis is a Buck 24 months from now. Sure now there is the 27-28, 28-29, and 29-30 years of $20M Dame dead money, but if Giannis leaves - which he surely would have if Horst stood pat - who cares? Its not like the Bucks were going to do anything meaningful with that cap space after Giannis anyway.  Maybe eat a bad contract or two for late first/second round picks? The post Giannis ships are already burnt. Pissing on the ashes is a small price to pay for even a longshot chance to make a run in the wide open East with Giannis & Turner. 

But can they get a lead guard?

[Shaka Shart]

But can they get a lead guard?

No

[Shaka Shart]

No

Yes

[JWags85]

You didn't answer the question.  Is he worth 16 mill a year?

This is the second franchise that has paid him $15+ a year, one of the best run franchises in the NBA and now a franchise who has been smartly and shrewdly rebuilding into a contender.  So yes, I think he is worth $16MM a year.

[cheebs09]

Robinson over Jerome easily.

The Trent deal is an absolute steal.  But I think 1) he likes playing with Giannis and in MKE and 2) its setting up for him to opt out next year and get a big deal with his Bird Rights.  Which I imagine was probably part of the discussion with Horst to ink this deal.

Open market, I would have expect Trent to get $12MMish a year.

As much as his coaching drives fans nuts, I do think there's an element of people really like to play for Doc as well.

[JWags85]

As much as his coaching drives fans nuts, I do think there's an element of people really like to play for Doc as well.

He never would do it, after the Bucks he probably retires or takes a cushy FO job somewhere, but he'd probably be the best associate HC in the league.  Consummate players coach, very well respected, fantastic mentor figure, etc...

[The Sultan]

He never would do it, after the Bucks he probably retires or takes a cushy FO job somewhere, but he'd probably be the best associate HC in the league.  Consummate players coach, very well respected, fantastic mentor figure, etc...

Which is probably why he had most success when he had Thibs as his assistant.