Potential Strike Tomorrow

[MuggsyB]

Very concerning.  Gut Scoop community feeling?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Unlikely, been a while since I bowled. It's not gonna be pretty

[jesmu84]

Very concerning.  Gut Scoop community feeling?

Why is a strike concerning?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

East Coast Port strike on October 1.
Will heavily disrupt container shipments to and from every East coast port.

[MuggsyB]

East Coast Port strike on October 1.
Will heavily disrupt container shipments to and from every East coast port.

Exactly.  The supply chain issues could be a s-show. 

[Herman Cain]

 

Exactly.  The supply chain issues could be a s-show.

Automation is a big issue in this strike.
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/longshoremen-at-key-us-ports-threatening-to-strike-over-automation-and-pay/

[Spotcheck Billy]

Automation is a big issue in this strike.
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/longshoremen-at-key-us-ports-threatening-to-strike-over-automation-and-pay/

The ILA etc. have been kicking/screaming to delay automation for years. It will eventually have to happen.

[MUBurrow]

Yeah, the real issue here is the continued concentration of the benefits of automation, not that it exists.

[jesmu84]

 

Exactly.  The supply chain issues could be a s-show.

So your concern is for possible supply chain disruption?

Any concern for the material conditions of the striking workers?

[JWags85]

So your concern is for possible supply chain disruption?

Any concern for the material conditions of the striking workers?

On my list of sympathies with workers striking for better pay/working conditions, longshoremen are pretty far down the list. Extremely well compensated job that is passed down generationally with barriers to entry. 

My cousin's husband is a VMI educated engineer with a masters from VT who works at the ports in Norfolk/Newport News and he's looking at an MBA needed to get into higher management cause he's low paid peasant compared to the longshoremen.

I respect their right to strike and I'm not suggesting some union busting nonsense, but I don't think it's callous for people to be focusing on worries about major supply chain disruptions and not the plight of 6 figure earning employees looking for a 75% raise while resisting technological progress implemented at other ports world wide.

[4everwarriors]

Shut 'er down, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

Shut 'er down, aina?

Why?

[Jockey]

Why?

He's joyful when MU loses and joyful if the country loses.

[Uncle Rico]

He's joyful when MU loses and joyful if the country loses.

Oh, I know the answer. 

[MuggsyB]

On my list of sympathies with workers striking for better pay/working conditions, longshoremen are pretty far down the list. Extremely well compensated job that is passed down generationally with barriers to entry. 

My cousin's husband is a VMI educated engineer with a masters from VT who works at the ports in Norfolk/Newport News and he's looking at an MBA needed to get into higher management cause he's low paid peasant compared to the longshoremen.

I respect their right to strike and I'm not suggesting some union busting nonsense, but I don't think it's callous for people to be focusing on worries about major supply chain disruptions and not the plight of 6 figure earning employees looking for a 75% raise while resisting technological progress implemented at other ports world wide.

This will have tremendous impact on truckers and farmers, not just these Union members. 

[4everwarriors]

When da goin' gets tough, da tough get goin', aina?

[WhiteTrash]

I'm cool with them striking, but I can confirm the longshoremen are the textbook example of the old-boys club. Membership and advancement are based upon who you know and not what you know. (I guess I should qualify, I know for the Pacific coast union)

[Lennys Tap]

I'm cool with them striking, but I can confirm the longshoremen are the textbook example of the old-boys club. Membership and advancement are based upon who you know and not what you know. (I guess I should qualify, I know for the Pacific coast union)

They certainly have that right but I don't think they'll get a lot of sympathy from the public.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

They certainly have that right but I don't think they'll get a lot of sympathy from the public.

I can't believe that I'm admitting it, but I actually agree with Lenny.
With the scenes of destruction from Hurricane Helene this seems out-of-place.  They should announce they are postponing striking for a week due to the natural disaster so as not to disturb recovery and to give them more time to negotiate a contract.

[jesmu84]

On my list of sympathies with workers striking for better pay/working conditions, longshoremen are pretty far down the list. Extremely well compensated job that is passed down generationally with barriers to entry. 

My cousin's husband is a VMI educated engineer with a masters from VT who works at the ports in Norfolk/Newport News and he's looking at an MBA needed to get into higher management cause he's low paid peasant compared to the longshoremen.

I respect their right to strike and I'm not suggesting some union busting nonsense, but I don't think it's callous for people to be focusing on worries about major supply chain disruptions and not the plight of 6 figure earning employees looking for a 75% raise while resisting technological progress implemented at other ports world wide.

Thank you for coming to this with legitimate discussion.

[mu_hilltopper]

Decent article about longshoreman salaries ..

https://archive.is/20240930212521/https://www.barrons.com/articles/port-pay-dock-workers-pay-demands-7e5b52dd

[Scoop Snoop]

Decent article about longshoreman salaries ..

https://archive.is/20240930212521/https://www.barrons.com/articles/port-pay-dock-workers-pay-demands-7e5b52dd

They are also against automation of gates, cranes, and on-site truck movement. This is, I think, of greater importance long term. Modern day Luddites,   

[rocky_warrior]

They are also against automation of gates, cranes, and on-site truck movement. This is, I think, of greater importance long term. Modern day Luddites,

Right, MUScoop has thrived since we switched to 98% automated posts.

[CreightonWarrior]

Right, MUScoop has thrived since we switched to 98% automated posts.

This explains the celeb obits, Anders, Aaron, and Hauser updates.

[The Sultan]

This explains the celeb obits, Anders, Aaron, and Hauser updates.

It's definitely AI...artificial ignorance.