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BCHoopster

Just means to me, there will be 720 more players in the portal! Also, means the blu bloods can take more players that think they belong on there level even though they are not.  Does MU need Ward or Allen when they have Owens and Lowery?

The Sultan

Yes there will be more players in the portal. Which I don't view as a positive or negative - it's just a fact of college athletics today since players have more freedom of movement.

Another way to think about it is that 720 additional people will have access to higher education at a reduced price.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jay Bee

Quote from: bilsu on July 25, 2024, 01:36:43 PM
"The numbers in basketball are staying similar: Men's and women's teams will have a roster limit of 15. The current scholarship limit is 13."

This wording confuses me. Before this change teams could have 13 scholarship players and as far as I know there was no limit on the number of walk-ons. This wording seams to limit the number of players on a team to 15.

This actually makes sense, because teams could potentially not give a scholarship to a player being paid significant $'s in NIL, thus allowing them to use the scholarship on another player.

Consider your sources. Most people are idiots.

Women's has been 15. We're talking scholarship limits here.
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The Sultan

Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2024, 08:24:57 AM
Consider your sources. Most people are idiots.

Women's has been 15. We're talking scholarship limits here.

Are you sure? Everything I have read has drawn a distinction between previous scholarship limits and roster limits. MBB will have a roster limit of 15, all of whom can be on scholarship.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass


Billy Hoyle

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 08:27:53 AM
Are you sure? Everything I have read has drawn a distinction between previous scholarship limits and roster limits. MBB will have a roster limit of 15, all of whom can be on scholarship.

Many of the articles are equating roster sizes and scholarship limits. Again, people trying to get ahead of a story without knowing the details.

It is strange that WBB would stay the same in terms of the number of scholarships allowed while capping the roster at that number. I would be surprised if that's accurate unless WBB coaches have said they don't need or want more players on the roster. 15 is a lot.  We'll start to see actual details soon. From SI this morning (this time focusing only on "roster spots:"

If the settlement is approved as is, football teams will have 105 roster spots, men's and women's basketball will have 15, volleyball will have 18, softball will have 25 and baseball will have 34.
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The Sultan

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 26, 2024, 08:53:52 AM
Many of the articles are equating roster sizes and scholarship limits. Again, people trying to get ahead of a story without knowing the details.

It is strange that WBB would stay the same in terms of the number of scholarships allowed while capping the roster at that number. I would be surprised if that's accurate unless WBB coaches have said they don't need or want more players on the roster. 15 is a lot.  We'll start to see actual details soon. From SI this morning (this time focusing only on "roster spots:"

If the settlement is approved as is, football teams will have 105 roster spots, men's and women's basketball will have 15, volleyball will have 18, softball will have 25 and baseball will have 34.


There are large increases in women's volleyball and softball however.

Remember it's not the NCAA's problem to sort out Title IX - that's the responsibility of the individual schools.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 08:57:50 AM

There are large increases in women's volleyball and softball however.

Remember it's not the NCAA's problem to sort out Title IX - that's the responsibility of the individual schools.

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Jay Bee

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 08:27:53 AM
Are you sure? Everything I have read has drawn a distinction between previous scholarship limits and roster limits. MBB will have a roster limit of 15, all of whom can be on scholarship.

Clarifying: The article that says women are at 13 is wrong. It's been at 15. The reality has been there have been numerous wbb teams carrying less than 15 by choice.

For us, I think it would be somewhat of a non-factor – walk-on / scout type players would just get on scholarship, and I would lean toward those walk-ons were great students to help with team GPA and other academic metrics (STUDENT-athletes!).

Having 15 guys in legitimate battles for playing time isn't going to work for most. Just will need to be direct in conversations when setting expectations.. e.g., 'we see you taking a year for development next season; no PT my boy', 'we see you as a scout team guy, you help our guys that actually play get better.. if there are 8 injuries maybe you'll get a little run, but don't count on it'..

15 has already been the ROSTER limit for mbb when it comes to what matta – the NCAA championship tourney!  So, no change there other than 14 & 15 can be on scholarship.

Seems like other sports .. this is a trickier deal than mbb. E.g. football. Hope EA updates my game quickly as any changes come into play!!!
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Jay Bee

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2024, 08:58:53 AM
Life was a lot simpler before we let broads play sports.  Go woke, go broke

*TRY TO play sports
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GoldenWarrior11

From all that I could gather, this is a huge benefit to baseball specifically.  Their scholarship pool has essentially tripled. 

The Sultan

I'm wondering though if we would see an uptick in the quality of the walk-ons. For instance, would we get lower D1 or D2 guys who would rather sit on a bench at Marquette than play at Northern State.

Or would Shaka use them more for projects.
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on July 26, 2024, 09:09:20 AM
From all that I could gather, this is a huge benefit to baseball specifically.  Their scholarship pool has essentially tripled.

not really, unless they are actually going to allow 34 full-ride scholarships (doubtful). Currently, 27 kids can be on athletic aid and rosters can be as high as 39. This proposal will reduce the size of the rosters by 5 but increase the number of kids who can be on athletic aid by 7. One number I've heard thrown around for baseball scholarships is 18 to be divided among the 34.
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bilsu

Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2024, 09:07:24 AM
Clarifying: The article that says women are at 13 is wrong. It's been at 15. The reality has been there have been numerous wbb teams carrying less than 15 by choice.

For us, I think it would be somewhat of a non-factor – walk-on / scout type players would just get on scholarship, and I would lean toward those walk-ons were great students to help with team GPA and other academic metrics (STUDENT-athletes!).

Having 15 guys in legitimate battles for playing time isn't going to work for most. Just will need to be direct in conversations when setting expectations.. e.g., 'we see you taking a year for development next season; no PT my boy', 'we see you as a scout team guy, you help our guys that actually play get better.. if there are 8 injuries maybe you'll get a little run, but don't count on it'..

15 has already been the ROSTER limit for mbb when it comes to what matta – the NCAA championship tourney!  So, no change there other than 14 & 15 can be on scholarship.

Seems like other sports .. this is a trickier deal than mbb. E.g. football. Hope EA updates my game quickly as any changes come into play!!!

Jay Bee does the NIL settlement agreement require all scholarship players to receive NIL money. I know some of the money was set aside for current players. I am not sure if there are rules on how it is doled out.

muwarrior69

20 more football scholarship mean 20 less scholarships for men in other sports.

The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
20 more football scholarship mean 20 less scholarships for men in other sports.

What? No. It's not a zero sum game.
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The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 03:38:33 PM
Then why?

https://marquettewire.org/2631441/tribune/tribune-sports/title-ix-leaves-wrestlers-pinned-without-a-sport/

That was twenty years ago.

Increasing football scholarships doesn't mean 20 scholarships less for other sports - unless schools choose to take that approach.
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muwarrior69

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 03:55:41 PM
That was twenty years ago.

Increasing football scholarships doesn't mean 20 scholarships less for other sports - unless schools choose to take that approach.

So it is a zero sum game.

The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 02, 2024, 04:38:01 AM
So it is a zero sum game.

No it isn't. Most of the major D1 schools are going to offer more scholarships.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 07:31:45 AM
No it isn't. Most of the major D1 schools are going to offer more scholarships.
Offset by higher tuition and fees?  ;)

Viper

Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 02, 2024, 11:09:29 AM
Offset by higher tuition and fees?  ;)
I'm thinking it probably depends on the school and their resources. I've always been under the impression that the Blue & Gold fund at MU helps with costs of tuition and fees primarily for non-revenue generating sports.
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Jay Bee

Quote from: Viper on August 04, 2024, 08:30:11 AM
I'm thinking it probably depends on the school and their resources. I've always been under the impression that the Blue & Gold fund at MU helps with costs of tuition and fees primarily for non-revenue generating sports.

Hat tip to me, who loaded the B&G Fund with another $20 so I could get an MU towel last week. #BigDonor
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muwarrior69

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 07:31:45 AM
No it isn't. Most of the major D1 schools are going to offer more scholarships.

Looks like most public Universities are not in compliance with Title IX. It is zero sum with how the money is supposed to be distributed. Also, offering a scholarship and filling a scholarship are two different things.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2022/08/17/female-athletes-stiffed-scholarship-money-colleges-title-ix/7640647001/


The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 05, 2024, 06:50:06 AM
Looks like most public Universities are not in compliance with Title IX. It is zero sum with how the money is supposed to be distributed. Also, offering a scholarship and filling a scholarship are two different things.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2022/08/17/female-athletes-stiffed-scholarship-money-colleges-title-ix/7640647001/


OK.  So I guess you are going to stick to the "zero sum game" theory even though it has been repeatedly stated, with proof, that its not a zero sum game.

And if schools are violating Title IX, of which athletic scholarships is only a portion, then the Department of Education should enforce its regulations.
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