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Author Topic: MU all-time defensive team?  (Read 2791 times)

Zog from Margo

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2024, 11:34:00 AM »
Wes Matthews was an outstanding defender. DJ was as well. Michael Wilson was a better defender than Mandy. Butler developed into a great defender but he was brutal on D his first season. Tony Miller was also a really good defender but probably not as good as DJ. OMax and Stevie are up there as well.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2024, 11:35:33 AM »
Wes Matthews was an outstanding defender. DJ was as well. Michael Wilson was a better defender than Mandy. Butler developed into a great defender but he was brutal on D his first season. Tony Miller was also a really good defender but probably not as good as DJ. OMax and Stevie are up there as well.
MNdy was definitely better overall, tough Michael was certainly no slouch.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2024, 12:33:49 PM »
MNdy was definitely better overall, tough Michael was certainly no slouch.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's obviously a matter of opinion. I prefer Wilson because he was 6'3" (Mandy was 5'10"), was actually more athletic, and could defend almost any position.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2024, 05:58:24 PM »
I didn't see him at Marquette, but Dean Meminger was an outstanding defensive guard in the NBA. So I have a feeling he was a pretty good defender for the Warriors, too.

82, he was an excellent defender - he had Austin Carr (no. 1 overall nba pick)
talking to himself.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2024, 06:28:43 PM »
We'll have to agree to disagree. It's obviously a matter of opinion. I prefer Wilson because he was 6'3" (Mandy was 5'10"), was actually more athletic, and could defend almost any position.

It's difficult to quantify defensive contributions, especially pre-1995.  All we really have are steals and blocked shots totals, plus our own memories.  In my mind, Wilson was the superior defender.  His 268 career steals stood as the school record for 27 years until Jerel broke it...Mandy Johnson had 233 steals with three more career games played.  When it comes to blocked shots, Wilson had 118 compared to Johnson's 19, so not even close.  I believe that Wilson is the only player in "school history" (since the stats have been kept) with 200+ steals and 100+ blocked shots.
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2024, 06:45:43 PM »
82, he was an excellent defender - he had Austin Carr (no. 1 overall nba pick)
talking to himself.

Thanks for the first-hand report. I don't doubt that's true; the Knicks were my favorite team as a kid and I really liked Meminger because he could defend like nobody's business.
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2024, 07:46:07 PM »
Chucky

Your comments and stats on Wilson are fair and hard to argue. My comments on Mandy and James are based off of style I guess. IMO, they both played perfect textbook defense.

A not great comparison, but that is like saying Tony Miller was a better passer than Kolek because he had more assists. I guess that data would prove that correct, but I think most who watched both would disagree.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2024, 08:17:58 PM »
Have to add Rowdy top this list

And Markus.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2024, 09:02:10 PM »
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2024, 12:44:51 AM »
And Markus.

Markus was not an elite defender but he was fine, especially for his size. Comparing him to Rowdy who may without hyperbole be the worst defender in MU history is unfair.
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2024, 07:28:24 AM »
Markus was not an elite defender but he was fine, especially for his size. Comparing him to Rowdy who may without hyperbole be the worst defender in MU history is unfair.

Yep. Markus at least tried. He'd put his body in front of a defender and take a charge, he'd anticipate passes and get a steal, he was willing to defend.

Rowsey was allergic to playing defense. A few times, he simply stepped out of the way. Rowsey sure was a fun offensive player, though.
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2024, 08:34:57 AM »
And Markus.

Markus made an effort and improved throughout his years at MU; he just didn't have the physical stature to be a plus defender.

Rowsey also didn't have the physical stature to be a plus defender, but his effort mostly consisted of waving at the person as they went past him and then going down court to line up a 25-footer. Loved the guy, but he didn't really have great interest in that end of the court.
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2024, 08:44:45 AM »
Markus made an effort and improved throughout his years at MU; he just didn't have the physical stature to be a plus defender.

Rowsey also didn't have the physical stature to be a plus defender, but his effort mostly consisted of waving at the person as they went past him and then going down court to line up a 25-footer. Loved the guy, but he didn't really have great interest in that end of the court.

The Hausers were terrible defenders, too, except for protecting how many shots they got
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2024, 04:12:50 PM »
Love the embellishments and baiting between the Markus haters and the Hauser haters.  Good theater. 

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2024, 04:32:53 PM »
Love the embellishments and baiting between the Markus haters and the Hauser haters.  Good theater.

Was thinking the same myself.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2024, 06:29:12 PM »
Love the embellishments and baiting between the Markus haters and the Hauser haters.  Good theater.

Spoken like a true Markus hater.

Was thinking the same myself.

Spoken like a true Hauser hater.

(Or vice versa.)
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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2024, 06:46:34 PM »
Spoken like a true Markus hater.

Spoken like a true Hauser hater.

(Or vice versa.)

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2024, 07:48:01 PM »
David Cubillan or Howard as a defender?

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2024, 08:26:59 PM »
David Cubillan or Howard as a defender?

No contest.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2024, 10:50:57 AM »
Speaking with someone that played against them:

The top defensive guards were Mandy on the point and Michael Wilson on the wing.

Mandy was close to a shutdown player as I've seen.   Back in the day, if Mandy held the opposing PG below his scoring average, Mandy was able to choose the place for the weekly team meal.   Always choose Red Lobster.  The guys got used to a seafood diet.
With his 6-4 frame, Wilson excelled guarding multiple positions.

Runnerup guards are even older school with Dean the Dream and Marcus Washington.

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Re: MU all-time defensive team?
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2024, 11:09:40 AM »
James is the best PG on the ball defender that I’ve seen at MU. I have too many David Rivers nightmares to give the top spot to Mandy.

 

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