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Author Topic: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine  (Read 16646 times)

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2024, 05:27:09 PM »
Kolek gets a first-round consideration in an article in The Athletic about older guys in the draft. Here's the passage:



That will again bring an important question to the forefront as teams make their decisions: Does age matter in the draft?

Players who have been selected that high at 22 years or older have not, for the most part, gone on to productive NBA careers. There have been 30 players who have been at least 22 on the day of the draft selected over the last 15 years. Of those, roughly three have become reliable starter-level players (Buddy Hield, Cam Johnson and Kelly Olynyk). Taurean Prince has consistently been a rotation player over his career. Corey Kispert, Obi Toppin and Jaime Jaquez Jr. seem to be on their way to getting there. The rest is a mixed bag.


Pretty interesting, though I'd argue that Jaquez has already ascended much higher than this.

So 7 of the 30, or roughly 24% are "starters or rotation players".  Granted, that is hardly a definitive term and open to opinion as to what that means, but I am curious as to what is the hit % for players under 22 drafted in the first round.  I have no idea so this is an honest question. 

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2024, 06:44:00 PM »
So 7 of the 30, or roughly 24% are "starters or rotation players".  Granted, that is hardly a definitive term and open to opinion as to what that means, but I am curious as to what is the hit % for players under 22 drafted in the first round.  I have no idea so this is an honest question.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2024, 06:47:16 PM »
Kolek gets a first-round consideration in an article in The Athletic about older guys in the draft. Here's the passage:

Six players 22 and older seem to have a decent chance to go in the first 20 picks (they’re in the top 30 of The Athletic’s latest big board), though in a draft as murky as this one, it’s hard to be certain.

Tennessee wing Dalton Knecht might go in the top 10. Providence guard Devin Carter just tagged an impressive junior year with some strong testing at the draft combine. Purdue center Zach Edey is one of the most interesting players in the draft and projected to be a fringe lottery pick. Marquette point guard Tyler Kolek, Colorado forward Tristan da Silva and Creighton wing Baylor Scheierman are all projected first-round picks who could land higher than expected on draft night.

That will again bring an important question to the forefront as teams make their decisions: Does age matter in the draft?

Players who have been selected that high at 22 years or older have not, for the most part, gone on to productive NBA careers. There have been 30 players who have been at least 22 on the day of the draft selected over the last 15 years. Of those, roughly three have become reliable starter-level players (Buddy Hield, Cam Johnson and Kelly Olynyk). Taurean Prince has consistently been a rotation player over his career. Corey Kispert, Obi Toppin and Jaime Jaquez Jr. seem to be on their way to getting there. The rest is a mixed bag.


Pretty interesting, though I'd argue that Jaquez has already ascended much higher than this.
Just semantics, but if the rest are a mixed bag, does that mean there are some starters, rotational players in that bag?

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2024, 05:50:24 AM »
50% of NBA players spend time in the G league.   I suspect, regardless of where they are drafted, TKo and Oso will spend time there. 
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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2024, 08:03:11 AM »
50% of NBA players spend time in the G league.   I suspect, regardless of where they are drafted, TKo and Oso will spend time there.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2024, 09:55:11 AM »
I have a friend from high school who is on the warriors coaching staff. Said he had a good workout and has many great intangibles like communication, competitor, thanks through the game well and passes well. Biggest issues were needing to be more physical overall and needs to work on the jumper (two things all MU fans know well).

To me, I think you can always work on toughness and shot development (unless you go to Washington and coach Johnny Davis) but those intangibles will make him stand out.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2024, 10:02:18 AM »
I have a friend from high school who is on the warriors coaching staff. Said he had a good workout and has many great intangibles like communication, competitor, thanks through the game well and passes well. Biggest issues were needing to be more physical overall and needs to work on the jumper (two things all MU fans know well).

To me, I think you can always work on toughness and shot development (unless you go to Washington and coach Johnny Davis) but those intangibles will make him stand out.

Guessing this is about Oso?  But if Oso wasn't in this Draft I could see this being a scouting report on Kolek too.  His shot is wildly improved since he arrived at MU, but it's still slow developing so I could see a guard getting the feedback that he needs to develop a quicker release.  And he sometimes got beat up, although he mostly played well through very physical defense.
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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2024, 10:03:04 AM »
I have a friend from high school who is on the warriors coaching staff. Said he had a good workout and has many great intangibles like communication, competitor, thanks through the game well and passes well. Biggest issues were needing to be more physical overall and needs to work on the jumper (two things all MU fans know well).

To me, I think you can always work on toughness and shot development (unless you go to Washington and coach Johnny Davis) but those intangibles will make him stand out.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2024, 12:00:35 PM »
Guessing this is about Oso?  But if Oso wasn't in this Draft I could see this being a scouting report on Kolek too.  His shot is wildly improved since he arrived at MU, but it's still slow developing so I could see a guard getting the feedback that he needs to develop a quicker release.  And he sometimes got beat up, although he mostly played well through very physical defense.

It’s about Oso. Tyler doesn’t “pass well”, he passes at an elite level. He’s also plenty physical with unquestioned toughness.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2024, 01:19:59 PM »
Guessing this is about Oso?  But if Oso wasn't in this Draft I could see this being a scouting report on Kolek too.  His shot is wildly improved since he arrived at MU, but it's still slow developing so I could see a guard getting the feedback that he needs to develop a quicker release.  And he sometimes got beat up, although he mostly played well through very physical defense.

My apologies yes it is about Oso.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2024, 01:15:21 AM »
The Knicks or Celtics for Kolek.....

Both have a back-up need and he has the grit that both teams like.....

Good cultural fit......

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2024, 09:44:35 AM »
The Knicks or Celtics for Kolek.....

Both have a back-up need and he has the grit that both teams like.....

Good cultural fit......

Eh, Celtics are pretty deep at PG with Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, and Payton Pritchard. I think Oso is a more likely possibility for Boston.

Knicks could be interesting, though. I could see Tom Thibodeau taking a liking to TKO. Nuggets and T-Wolves would seem to have a need at PG too. Would love any of those landing spots.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2024, 09:48:31 AM »
Also Boston isn’t a huge PNR team which I think is Kolek’s strength. Knicks are however. 

That being said, Boston isn’t drafting for need. They’re drafting best available and will figure it out later.
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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2024, 09:58:34 AM »
There would be plenty of PT for either of them in Charlotte, unless the new coach is an "I hate playing rookies" guy.
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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2024, 11:36:04 AM »
Just listening to Simmons podcast. Say what you want about him Ruesillo but they made a good point that players value individual skills so much now, they don’t develop any team game stuff in the offseason. Has to be an asset in todays NBA, that they are such good passers.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2024, 08:27:35 PM »
ESPN Mock Draft - https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40245844/2024-nba-mock-draft-predictions-all-58-picks-ncaa-early-entry-withdrawal-deadline

25. New York Knicks
Tyler Kolek, PG, Marquette | Age: 23.1

Kolek, who is ranked No. 29 in ESPN's Top 100, has drawn serious looks from teams that are selecting higher than this in the first round. He has experience, playmaking savvy and intense competitiveness that could provide a pathway into backup point guard minutes early in his pro career. He's likely not going to offer a ton defensively, where he's limited because of his size (6-3, 190 pounds) and athletic ability, but he's also not going to take plays off or want for effort.

That mentality will likely be attractive to the Knicks and coach Tom Thibodeau if they opt to keep one or both of these picks

54. Boston Celtics (via Mavericks)
Oso Ighodaro, PF/C, Marquette | Age: 21.8



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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #93 on: June 04, 2024, 01:19:23 PM »
Latest KOC mock has Kolek at 18 and Oso at 41.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #94 on: June 04, 2024, 01:32:37 PM »
TKO was the Malone comp because he couldn't read.

True, but I think he hasn't impregnated a 13 year-old.

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Re: Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro NBA Combine
« Reply #95 on: June 04, 2024, 02:48:09 PM »
Just listening to Simmons podcast. Say what you want about him Ruesillo but they made a good point that players value individual skills so much now, they don’t develop any team game stuff in the offseason. Has to be an asset in todays NBA, that they are such good passers.

His midrange game will be valued. Watching TJ McConnell with the Pacers I could see Kolek being that type of player off the bench running with the second team for 20 mpg.
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