Archdiocese of New Orleans

[MurphysTillClose]

Sadly my MIL's parish will be closing in the next 6-9 months. It has a mainstay in her life since they moved here in 1978 and she has attended daily Mass 99% of the days she is lived here. She was choir director, music teacher at the school and the closing hit the family hard.

On a sidenote, Pat Connaughton bought the property, and his real estate company is building the apartment complex on the land.

That last sentence is the most ND thing I've ever read.

[Goose]

Murphy's

That is a great call!!

[Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist]

That last sentence is the most ND thing I've ever read.

I'm assuming this is in reference to the St. Bernard's property?  If so, I didn't know Pat bought that. 

[Goose]

No

Yes, St. Bernard's.

[Dickthedribbler]

I live 4 blocks from St. Bernard's. I feel bad and will miss it----a vital part of the community.

As far as Connaughton, I guess an apartment complex is better than a Kwik Trip.

[jutaw22mu]

I don't think that reconsidering celibacy is going to do much to fix the priest shortage.  Given that most who are called to vocations were Traditional Latin Mass attendees rather than Norvus Ordo attendees, perhaps the solution might be to expand TLM offerings.  Too bad this current pope hates the Traditional Latin Mass.

https://liturgyguy.com/2018/10/08/vocations-foundations/

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't think that reconsidering celibacy is going to do much to fix the priest shortage.  Given that most who are called to vocations were Traditional Latin Mass attendees rather than Norvus Ordo attendees, perhaps the solution might be to expand TLM offerings.  Too bad this current pope hates the Traditional Latin Mass.

https://liturgyguy.com/2018/10/08/vocations-foundations/

That's a....take. I think you and your article has causation and corrolation mixed up

[The Sultan]

I don't think that reconsidering celibacy is going to do much to fix the priest shortage.  Given that most who are called to vocations were Traditional Latin Mass attendees rather than Norvus Ordo attendees, perhaps the solution might be to expand TLM offerings.  Too bad this current pope hates the Traditional Latin Mass.

https://liturgyguy.com/2018/10/08/vocations-foundations/

"We should grown the game of basketball by taking away the shot clock and the three point line."

[rocket surgeon]

I don't think that reconsidering celibacy is going to do much to fix the priest shortage.  Given that most who are called to vocations were Traditional Latin Mass attendees rather than Norvus Ordo attendees, perhaps the solution might be to expand TLM offerings.  Too bad this current pope hates the Traditional Latin Mass.

https://liturgyguy.com/2018/10/08/vocations-foundations/

  completely agree here jutaw-there are so many young men who...gasp...long for the traditional.  it doesn't mean they want to return saying masses in Latin, but there remains certain key things they would like to retain and maintain.  exactly which ones, you'd have to ask them. 

  for further incite into the implosion of the Catholic priests implosion, check out the book, "good bye good men"  it tells the story of how many good men could not advance within the seminary's ranks thus move on within the education system toward priesthood if they didn't "go along" with the new status quo which included some very nefarious activities.  milwaukee's(st Francis de sales) and Hales corner's (sacred heart) seminaries are referenced often

[Goose]

Dribbler

I sent you a PM.

[tower912]

https://www.christianpost.com/news/under-1-of-catholics-agree-with-sanctity-of-life-teachings-data.html

We are all cafeteria Catholics.    I remember having this argument with Chicos.    How many Catholics are:    Anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-euthanasia, pro-immigrant, pro-poor, anti-gay unions, pro-environment?    Not very many.   

I know that if my parish gets a young rad-trad priest, I will probably grind my teeth for my son's last year of Catholic high school and then go parish shopping.   

[Goose]

tower

It is not easy to be all in Catholic these days. There is a good number of people at my parish that are all in, but their beliefs are not well received by everyone in our parish.

[The Sultan]

  completely agree here jutaw-there are so many young men who...gasp...long for the traditional.  it doesn't mean they want to return saying masses in Latin, but there remains certain key things they would like to retain and maintain.  exactly which ones, you'd have to ask them. 

  for further incite into the implosion of the Catholic priests implosion, check out the book, "good bye good men"  it tells the story of how many good men could not advance within the seminary's ranks thus move on within the education system toward priesthood if they didn't "go along" with the new status quo which included some very nefarious activities.  milwaukee's(st Francis de sales) and Hales corner's (sacred heart) seminaries are referenced often

That book was all the rage about 20 years ago when people tried to blame liberals for the Church sex abuse scandal. But I think the last couple of decades show that the scandal was systemic in nature, and knew no traditional leanings.

Furthermore, the suggestion that there is no room for orthodox young men in the seminaries really doesn't jibe with what I have seen from younger priests.

[Uncle Rico]

That book was all the rage about 20 years ago when people tried to blame liberals for the Church sex abuse scandal. But I think the last couple of decades show that the scandal was systemic in nature, and knew no traditional leanings.

Furthermore, the suggestion that there is no room for orthodox young men in the seminaries really doesn't jibe with what I have seen from younger priests.

Everything is a conspiracy, you see.  It extended across the globe as part of a vast liberal plot.

By no means could the church itself or the religion itself be culpable.

Systemic?  Hogwash.  The liberals caused it.

[tower912]

tower

It is not easy to be all in Catholic these days. There is a good number of people at my parish that are all in, but their beliefs are not well received by everyone in our parish.

Goose, the challenge is being all in when taking into account modern politics.    Catholic teachings on life as well as social teachings are consistent.    However, when viewed through a political lens, they are all over the spectrum and seemingly contradictory.  Preferential option for the poor, pro immigration AND anti gay marriage?!?    Pro free market AND pro state control guaranteeing the rights of the worker as well as making sure the poor are taken care of?  Because we are also political creatures, we pick and choose the Catholic teachings  that buttress our political thought and disregard the rest.
    I don't claim to have the answer.  I just want us to be self aware before labeling others.   Own your (stuff).

[MU82]

if they didn't "go along" with the new status quo which included some very nefarious activities.

more nefarious than trusted religious leaders raping little boys, with the church covering up the scandal for decades and decades? please tell us more ...

[tower912]

That was happening in the seminaries, too.

[Hards Alumni]

https://www.christianpost.com/news/under-1-of-catholics-agree-with-sanctity-of-life-teachings-data.html

We are all cafeteria Catholics.    I remember having this argument with Chicos.    How many Catholics are:    Anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-euthanasia, pro-immigrant, pro-poor, anti-gay unions, pro-environment?    Not very many.   

I know that if my parish gets a young rad-trad priest, I will probably grind my teeth for my son's last year of Catholic high school and then go parish shopping.   

My friend had a young trad priest show up (Madison and Catholic) and she (gay) was made to feel very unwelcome and is now trying to come to terms with that.

Probably a huge mistake by the parish considering she was an active young member and taught Sunday school and led many excursions and youth outreach.

[Pakuni]

  completely agree here jutaw-there are so many young men who...gasp...long for the traditional.  it doesn't mean they want to return saying masses in Latin, but there remains certain key things they would like to retain and maintain.  exactly which ones, you'd have to ask them. 

  for further incite into the implosion of the Catholic priests implosion, check out the book, "good bye good men"  it tells the story of how many good men could not advance within the seminary's ranks thus move on within the education system toward priesthood if they didn't "go along" with the new status quo which included some very nefarious activities.  milwaukee's(st Francis de sales) and Hales corner's (sacred heart) seminaries are referenced often

What very nefarious activities?

[dgies9156]

Goose, the challenge is being all in when taking into account modern politics.    Catholic teachings on life as well as social teachings are consistent.    However, when viewed through a political lens, they are all over the spectrum and seemingly contradictory.  Preferencetial option for the poor, pro immigration AND anti gay marriage?!?    Pro free market AND pro state control guaranteeing the rights of the worker as well as making sure the poor are taken care of?  Because we are also political creatures, we pick and choose the Catholic teachings  that buttress our political thought and disregard the rest.
    I don't claim to have the answer.  I just want us to be self aware before labeling others.   Own your (stuff).

Tower, this is a very good point and something most folks in the secular world and probably most of our bishops just don't get.

The late Cardinal Bernadin of Chicago, for example, spoke of the seamless garment of life. It meant being against abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia and tending to the physical and spiritual needs of all of God's people. Depending on the specific issue, the Cardinal's positions were either wildly conservative or crazy liberal.

We had a friend in Libertyville who once asked my Democratic-focused wife, "how can you be a Catholic and a Democrat?" To which my wife sternly responded, "how can you be a Catholic and a Republican?"

Most of us who are followers of Jesus tend to formulate our politics, at least in part, through the teachings of Scripture. We don't always succeed in getting to where we're prompted by the teachings of Jesus and our church, but dare I say, we try. Last Sunday's Gospel was quite clear in this matter. Jesus told us, "Love One Another!"

[rocket surgeon]

more nefarious than trusted religious leaders raping little boys, with the church covering up the scandal for decades and decades? please tell us more ...

read the book

[rocket surgeon]

That book was all the rage about 20 years ago when people tried to blame liberals for the Church sex abuse scandal. But I think the last couple of decades show that the scandal was systemic in nature, and knew no traditional leanings.

Furthermore, the suggestion that there is no room for orthodox young men in the seminaries really doesn't jibe with what I have seen from younger priests.

  everything isn't absolute but yes that was a big part of it.  the seminaries were a mess

 

[MU82]

read the book

Thanks for either refusing to answer the question or being unable to answer the question (or, more likely, both).

I'm gonna go with thousands of little boys raped by priests, with the Catholic Church covering it up for decades, being the most nefarious thing perpetrated by them in my lifetime until proven otherwise.

Thankfully, talented, hard-working journalists uncovered the scandal.

[jutaw22mu]

tower

It is not easy to be all in Catholic these days. There is a good number of people at my parish that are all in, but their beliefs are not well received by everyone in our parish.

I guess I am unapologetically an "all-in" Catholic.  I don't really give a crap what anyone else thinks about that because, at the end of the day, I am trying to give myself the best possible shot to get into Heaven.

[The Sultan]

I guess I am unapologetically an "all-in" Catholic.  I don't really give a crap what anyone else thinks about that because, at the end of the day, I am trying to give myself the best possible shot to get into Heaven.

Maybe its the Protestant in me, but that strikes me as an odd mindset. Not the whole getting into Heaven part, but feeling that you have to do or believe certain things to be given a ticket that someone else who doesn't do or believe certain things doesn't get.